Talk:Ecosystem/Archive 3

Close to nature forestry
Close to nature forestry considers the forest as an ecosystem, and hence is a subject really related to this article. In fact, the concept of ecosystem is central to close to nature forestry. I kindly ask Guettarda to explain why he has deleted the link to this page.--Auró (talk) 22:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Per WP:SEEALSO: The links in the "See also" section should be relevant, should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic, and should be limited to a reasonable number. There were over 40 links in the 'See also', which is clearly an unreasonable number. It's down to 30, which is still much too much. Look at the FAs in biology - of the ones that have "See also" sections, most have 3-5 links, with a few up around 12-14. By that comparison, this article has 2-10x as many as it should. As for the specific link, if we included every topic that "treated x as an ecosystem", we'd have hundred of links. I think we need much stronger justification than that. Guettarda (talk) 22:51, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I will try to explain that we have strong justification. At present forests represent one of the main environments for ecosystems, mainly in temperate and tropical climatic zones. Traditionally, forests have been exploited and treated as simple source for lumber and fire wood. Now we have a forestry theory and practice that promotes to consider forests as ecosystems, and manage them as such. I would say that this is a very relevant subject for the preservation of ecosystems. Probably we could find other links not suppressed that are less relevant.--Auró (talk) 10:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * So what's unique about this particular school of thought? Principles of ecosystem management have been incorporated into forestry decades ago - the practice may not always be there, but the principles certainly are. So why this particular framework? Granted, my expertise is in forest ecology, not forest management, and my training as a strong US-UK bias...I don't know as much about continental forestry as I should...but judging from the article, I just don't get what's so special. Guettarda (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I am glad to be discussing the subject with an editor having experience in forest ecology. The name of the article, "Close to nature forestry", comes from a continental school, but the content incorporates the US theory and practice I found reading the work of professor Tom Mc Evoy, "Positive Impact Forestry", and I also made reference to the "Ecoforestry Institute". I thought that the title "Close to nature forestry" reflected better the concept than "positive impact forestry". Also I may be biased, because of being a continental, but looking closer, as I am Spanish, and the current is of German origin, I may have certain neutrality. The article does not claim novelty, since the German movement was initiated in 1950. I think that the main value is to consider that the human action in forest should only be to help nature do more quickly the process it would make slowly by itself; and as a result the idea that to manage a forest as an ecosystem has sense also from the economical point of view, as it reduces operating costs. Needless to say that the article is open to incorporate any additional information, particularly concerning US practice and experience, and help balance it.--Auró (talk) 07:31, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I have made an exercise of looking around. The ecosystem article is so prominent that every editor wants "his" article to be linked from it. It probably has been my position. I accept its deletion, but propose to add a link to Forest ecology. It is a wider concept that Close to nature forestry. On the other hand, I agree with Guettarda that some links may be suppressed. I propose the following: Global warming, Human ecology, Invasive species, Landscape ecology, Natural landscape, Natural resource, Nature, Spaceship Earth, Sustainability, Sustainable development. They are all important or very important subjects, but are not relevant to the concept of ecosystem.--Auró (talk) 22:28, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

An ecosytem is a community of living organisms ( plants,animals,and micorbs) in conjuction with the nonliving componets of their environment and they live in the ocean and their is a lot of fishes and shark down there and i like the story about ecosystem that is my story — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.71.77.12 (talk) 16:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

A human being, as well as all living things, are mo more than ecosystems. One must admit that before understandng life.Greetings from F-land: Vesa Pulkkinen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.251.148.247 (talk) 21:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Change "ecology" to "ecologist" in the following sentence: The term "ecosystem" was first used in a publication by British ecology Arthur Tansley.

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