Talk:Ed Miliband bacon sandwich photograph

Discuss before destroying AGAIN
There is no reason beyond WP:IDONTLIKEIT to redirect this page.


 * 1) Started by the British press? Yes it was, by the barely partisan Evening Standard who took the picture, and The Sun weaving their narrative. The responses to their one-dimensional narrative are sourced in balance, from Clegg, Owen Jones and Miliband himself. If a subject is to-and-froed by Sky, Evening Standard, BBC, Telegraph, Independent, Guardian between May 2014 and May 2015, it has some notability to it.
 * 2) David Miliband is not mentioned at all on this page, nor should he be. I don't see the link
 * 3) I never found that Independent article while making this page, it's a different voice and should be included. But it's one author's voice. The narrative from most right-wing papers was of Miliband being unpractical and geeky, which they would do to even the most Christian of Labour leaders &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 17:07, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Taking photographs to spin against a politician can be notable when it is taken to the extents as it is here. See also Jimmy Carter rabbit incident, which was used to portray the POTUS as pathetic by his opponents &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 17:51, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

There are too many problems with this, including:
 * The comments above seem to relate to what was said in the DYK nomination and so I repeat the points made there for clarity:
 * 1) The Grant Shapps case demonstrates the importance of being careful with high-profile political BLP issues.
 * 2) The current content is based upon the British press which is politically partisan and journalistic.  They were playing the matter for laughs and/or to score points and so cannot be considered sufficiently reliable for our purposes.
 * 3) The General Election is over but there is now an election for the Labour leadership which will not conclude until September.  The other Miliband brother is talked of as a possible contender and so this might still be a live issue.
 * 4) There was arguably an element of anti-semitism in the story, as noted by several sources such as The Independent.  The article currently says nothing of this.  This issue makes the topic even more toxic and dangerous.
 * 5) The central feature of the story is the photograph but we don't have rights to this and so are having to claim fair use.  If we run the story in a journalistic way, playing it for laughs on the front page, then this undermines our claim of fair use.
 * 6) Talk of bread rolls, as in the original hook, is nonsense as it is quite clear from the photograph that the sandwich was made with slices of bread.  This demonstrates, if proof were needed, that newspaper coverage is not reliable.  The article still links to bread roll and any child can see that this is a glaring error.  As this is a BLP matter and errors cannot be tolerated, immediate action is required.  My first thought is to redirect the page to Ed Miliband or United Kingdom general election, 2015 but neither of them even mention the incident.  This further demonstrates the risk that we might be giving this undue weight.  Bacon sandwich will have to do as a target for now.  That doesn't mention the matter either but it's a weak article and so could perhaps use a paragraph on the matter.

Andrew D. (talk) 07:05, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

What?
"While some saw the photograph as evidence that Miliband was out of touch with the British public" - I'm removing this from the lead paragraph unless someone can find a reference. I can't see for the life of me why eating a bacon sandwich would give anyone that impression Cls14 (talk) 16:12, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

The Last Leg
Ed was just recently a guest on The Last Leg and this incident was brought up. In an attempt to replace the original photograph as the top result of googling for "Ed Miliband bacon sandwich" he participated in a photoshoot and viewers were encouraged to retweet the resulting image along with the hashtag "#Milibacon". Here's the relevant part of the interview, posted on YouTube by Channel 4: "." HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 09:26, 11 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I've added this appearance on the show to the article, in the Subsequent references section.  Seagull123  Φ  22:23, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

What? take 2
"While some saw the photograph as evidence that Miliband was out of touch with the British public" - I'm removing this from the lead paragraph unless someone can find a reference. I can't see for the life of me why eating a bacon sandwich would give anyone that impression.

Just by chance I've read this article again, and I've removed the unsourced, nonsensical sentence again. I'm watching the page so nobody put it back in without explaining how eating a sandwich is out of touch. Cls14 (talk) 17:10, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Is it a sandwich or a roll?
Could be more controversial than the picture itself, but was it a roll or a sandwich? It looks like a roll to me.

15:57, 15 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JASpencer (talk • contribs)
 * Clearly a sandwich, as shown by what's on the plate as well a in his hand.  SN54129  09:05, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * A Jew eating bacon isn't controversial? 2.31.162.42 (talk) 21:14, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * An atheist eating bacon is controversial? 🤦‍♂️  SN54129  09:05, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Sun and Mirror
Why is the Mirror specifically described as "tabloid" while the Sun isn't? 87.75.117.183 (talk) 20:17, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Antisemitism.
The current source for this is an opinion piece in The Guardian. It's trivial, minor and doesn't belong in the lead at the very least. I say this as someone who despises The Sun and wouldn't put it past them, but in this case - single opinion piece, and pure speculation. Not even conjecture in this case... SinoDevonian (talk) 14:18, 8 March 2023 (UTC)