Talk:Eden Shopping Centre

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This article reads far too much like an advertisement - the fact it's linked from the official Eden website suggests it was possibly created by the webmasters (or somebody affiliated with the project). Tagged the article, anyway. KingDaveRa 20:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've re-written most of the article and added new relevant info. Removed tag.Mpvide65 (talk) 22:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * There's still a fair bit of unencyclopaedic stuff in here, but it's getting better! SeveroTC 22:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * For example, the Launch day, Centre features, Notable stores and Notable restaurants and cafes sections either border on the unencyclopaedic or are unencyclopaedic. The main guideline available is What Wikipedia is not. In the WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NOTTRAVEL sections, it says that only notable places should be mentioned. The notability is of the actual shop or restaurant not the chain to which they belong. Similarly as an example, the mention that the new library will have public toilets is not notable in a global English-language encyclopaedia. SeveroTC 22:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have tried to improve the sections you mentioned above. I think its almost okay! Mpvide65 (talk) 22:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree you changes are positive but I still have a problem as also mentioned above by Severo with the sections on Notable Shops and Notable Restaurants and how this sits with the commentary on the High Street and other shopping areas. To me this presents the article as some sort of promotional material and my call would be to remove it. Take a look at other shopping mall articles for example neither Central Milton Keynes Shopping Centre nor the Harlequin Shopping Centre mention the shops instead they focus on the uniqueness etc of the facility and its architecture. The Public Opinion section needs some sorting out too. The contradictions between complaints about it being a wind tunnel and the designers views and the popularity from the early footfall figures seems a bit confused. However the issues raised are notable and worth including but without trying to set one set of views off against another rather it is the enigma of anything new and different it courts controversy both extremes of positiveness and negativity. Btw I'm a little troubled about some of the related edits on the High Wycombe page on the transport links and the Eden but maybe I am reading something into this which is not validTmol42 (talk) 23:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Walden Galleria is a Good article and an interesting guide (although not wholly replicable). It mentions selected shops throughout but by putting them in prose it puts them in context (i.e. prose > lists). Other good articles can be found at Category:GA-Class Shopping center articles (ignore the A-Class articles category, for there is no peer review). SeveroTC 23:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The article is blatant advertising, in my opinion. Apart from its tone, it contains many exaggerations and inaccuracies, some of which suggest the original author(s) don't know the town very well, but know the layout and facilities of the Eden Centre VERY well. For example, the article talks about Marks & Spencer moving from the Chiltern Shopping Centre to Eden. It's the ChilternS Shopping Centre, and M & S preceded it. and was adjacent, not inside it, though access was provided from the centre


 * When discussing nearby competitors, several towns and their centres are mentioned, and their size compared with Eden. What's NOT mentioned is that in the case of Reading, Uxbridge, Watford and Slough, there are other large shopping centres there also. Why Milton Keynes should be mentioned in this context (to provide a comparison with a REALLY big centre?) isn't clear - it's not nearby, but 29 miles away "as the crow flies" or 52 miles by motorway - a good hour's drive.. There are other large shopping centres, all larger than Eden, much closer than that - a very selective comparison, I'd say.


 * When outlining parking facilities, the article glosses over the fact that Eden has parking for only 1570 cars, but mentions the other 3,700 spaces "within walking distance". However, in extolling "The need for a new centre", the article makes much of the the fact that the old library was on the eastern extremity of the town centre, and talks about "a long walk" - one of the two large car parks providing the 3,700 spaces is beyond the old library building!


 * There's some rather strange phrasing, for example "In recent years, the town centre of High Wycombe has gradually been moving west" - I'm sure it's stayed in one place - if it had been moving, it would have hit the headlines worldwide! I know what's meant, but it's untrue - the only major change has been the building of the the Eden Centre itself, and a new Sainsbury's store opened opposite it recently. it's the Eden Centre itself that's shifted the "centre of gravity"


 * Another one (about the Chilterns Centre again) "The shopping centre is really a covered thoroughfare with shops on either side". Describes the Eden Centre to a T, except that a large part is open to the elements. They mention that aspect later, but blame the fact that the Eden had to be built around an existing Tesco store. In fact the open areas are well away from the Tesco store, so no excuse for that.


 * Sorry to prattle on, but while this article is but one fluttering page in the great Wiki Tome, it's important to me (I live in the town), and to Wiki principles - it has many inaccuracies, it's advertising, it's political, it's partisan, and it's NOT balanced. Rambler24 (talk) 22:48, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

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