Talk:Edge (wrestler)/Archive 4

More on 2010 Return
I think his decision to face Jericho instead of Batista should be included. If not that, it should include him main eventing against Jericho for the world title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stown (talk • contribs) 19:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't add future matches, nor week-by-week. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  19:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
i really want to edit this page page because i watched him since i was a little kid and you need to get your facts right

Andrew4001 (talk) 01:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What is it exactly that you want to edit? -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  01:13, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * To request an edit to a semi-protected page, you must a) say exactly what should be changed, and b) supply references to appropriate reliable sources.  Chzz  ►  01:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from RatedRsuperstar edge, 15 April 2010
please add Rated R Superstar under Ring Names

RatedRsuperstar edge (talk) 19:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The Rated-R Superstar is not a ring name, it's a nickname. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  21:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Theundertaker 123, 11 July 2010
editsemiprotected

Theundertaker 123 (talk) 07:24, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.. Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 10:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

After Over the Limit
The article only has information about Edge until Over the Limit, and he has done too much thing since May, like he tried to conquer the WWE Championship at Fatal 4-Way but he lost before he was at the RAW Money in the Bank in the same PPV but The Miz won the match, later he was in a triple threat match against Randy Orton an Chris Jericho for be the #1 contender for WWE Championship at SummerSlam but he lost, after that night John Cena announced that he is in his 7-man team to confront The Nexus at SummerSlam turning face. Who protected this page, please add this information because it's real and needed --C-sark-mp-on (talk) 21:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's week-by-week info. It's not notable at all.  Simon KSK  21:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * He lost at Fatal 4-Way, Money in the Bank, and the triple threat match on Raw. Imagine if we add all of Edge's losses, this would be quite a large article. The only thing that needs to be summarized in the article is notable information as this is an encyclopedia, not a news site. Also, adding what happened this Monday is week-by-week, and him "turning" face isn't notable. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  15:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Problem with this Page?
Maybe it's on my end, but the Table of Contents seems out of place, and the article starts with "[5]
 * weight = 241 lb (109 kg)==== At the Royal Rumble event on January 31, 2010, Edge returned from his injury by entering the Royal Rumble match as the twenty-ninth entrant" instead of "Edge, born Adam Copeland..." or whatever. Anyone? Help? Vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yesitsraining (talk • contribs) 05:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's been fixed, thanks for bringing it up. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  15:12, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Edge Face turn?
I read at the end of his "Professional Wrestling Career" in the "Return (2010)" section and it stated the following: "Edge turned face on the Premiere of Smackdown on SYFY by interfering in Jack Swagger's Proclaimation of Oklahoma and spearing Swagger's Mascot." Is this true, or is this just a mistake. I don't know if there are enough clues to declare Adam a "face." He never really acted like he was behind the crowd, just he said he will take out everyone who acts stupid. And this time it happened to be a heel, Jack Swagger. xXxStraightEdgexXx 19:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ - I believe the more colloquial term is known in the professional wrestling world as a "tweener", but I feel inclined to agree. No where does it even state on the reference provided that he is now a face. Merely that he won the match. Any thing beyond that is clear original research and potential POV editing. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② talk 04:43, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Edge (wrestler)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Edge (wrestler)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "OWOW": From Bobby Lashley:  From Mick Foley:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 13:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Rated R Soup??
Just saw this in the controversy section:

While injured, Copeland opened a cafe where he made his famous dish, Rated 'R' Soup.

I think someone messed with the page...

Ozzy 10:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OzzyOnEdge (talk • contribs)

Wrestling Observer
Since it's come an editting war, it is best to move it to an actual discussion. The problem at hand was whether the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Awards should be included being that there is, seemingly, no primary source, aside of course from all the ones on the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Awards page.

To quote: "They were originally in the article with a tag for an extended period of time. Yet remained unsourced. And guidelines are simple. No source, does not have to be included. No rule that says tags must be placed in that I am aware of."

However, there is plenty of precedent, as in the page of every single other wrestler who was won awards. Sherick (talk) 02:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I think it should be re-checked, verified and sourced in terms of championships and accomplishments. I have just checked and Bret Hart has also held all of the titles which it is claimed only Edge and Kurt Angle have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.124.221.17 (talk) 01:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Bret never held the World Championship. Sherick (talk) 06:50, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no source for either statement. Really shouldn't be added. And if there are sources for every single one of those awards in th WO page, then add them here. The same effort used to start this, could have placed them in a sourced them already.-- Will C  17:37, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Possible retirement?
Just saw Edge's segment on RAw discussing about his retirement. Acknowledging his past injuries, is this really a legit retirement or a WWE angle? And please don't remove it, this IS a professional question within Wikipedia boundaries.66.108.211.43 (talk) 02:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Its too soon to tell if its legit or a storyline, Lets wait on NoDQ the other websites to find the info out. Even though Nodq's website is not "legit" according to wikipedia. But it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Pizza (talk • contribs) 02:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

It is still to early to tell 100% but from the looks of it is legit. One of the keys to whether it is legit or not will come friday night if Edge Vacates the WHC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarioMan9112 (talk • contribs) 02:45, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

As a WWE fan and having knowledge of how the product works, I can guarantee this was not a storyline. The fact that in the next segment he was being clapped out of the arena by several wrestlers including several heels (antagonist characters) shows it breaks kayfabe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.72.173 (talk) 02:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Please, put retirement sign on his bio. It's obvious as hell that he is not going to wrestle anymore and I see no point to not put retirement to his info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.220.115.56 (talk) 07:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

WWE page is saying this is legit. I'm going to his final smackdown taping tomorrow here in Albany Ny, I'll let you know early if he vacates the title. Sonic NiGHT 10:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Hotstuff301, 13 April 2011
I just wanna put a better and more recent picture of him up as the profile pic at the top. That's all.

Hotstuff301 (talk) 18:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: where is the picture? — Bility (talk) 20:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Minor Edit to Protected Page
My apologies if this is the wrong place to note this, but I'm new.

In the "Personal life" section of the page, the third sentence opens, but never closes, a parentheseis:

"As a teenager, Copeland (along with his friend William Reso attended WrestleMania VI sitting in the eleventh row at ringside."

I think it should be something like this:

"As a teenager, Copeland (along with his friend William Reso) attended WrestleMania VI sitting in the eleventh row at ringside."

Fictionality7 (talk) 15:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅ - with a slight change. I modified it to "As a teenager, Copeland, along with his friend William Reso, attended WrestleMania VI sitting in the eleventh row at ringside." ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ  ②  04:55, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually, since we insist on getting it right, the part about "along with his friend William Reso needs to be deleted. As according to Edge's book, he went only with his mother and Jay Reso was not there... Ozzy Ozzy 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OzzyOnEdge (talk • contribs)
 * The statement cites the book "Adam Copeland on Edge", however you claim that the book makes no such claim of Christian having attended the event with him. I personally do not have the book and can not fact-check that statement so if another party can fact-check and corroborate this, please do so. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ  ②  01:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, I have the book.

Quoting "Adam Copeland on Edge", Chapter 8, pages 39-40: "During this time I received the ultimate surprise (pun intended). My mom somehow pooled together the resources to buy two tickets, eleventh row ringside, for WrestleMania VI at Toronto's SkyDome. This was the ultimate dream because I was on my way to the Ultimate Challenge. Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior. It also didn't hurt that the Hart Foundation, The Rockers, and Mr. Perfect were on the bill as well. They had quickly become my favorites. I had never felt electricity like the SkyDome that night. The nearly 68,000 fan were split between Hulka-maniacs and Warrior fans. It was simply awesome (even though Hulk lost). This was my dream."

No mention of Christian going with him. And though he doesn't spell it out, you can understand he went with his mom. Plus I also recall him saying in other occasions that he went with her. Ozzy 17:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OzzyOnEdge (talk • contribs)
 * By your own admission and as is clearly visible, he never explicitly states that he did or did not go with his mother nor does he state he went with Christian (or even knew him at the time) in the quoted paragraph above. The very thing you outlined above is clear and evident speculation which goes against WP:CRYSTAL. That said, I'll just remove the statement entirely as it's clearly either false or speculation. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ  ②  14:19, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

book
edge wrote the book echoes of avalon

http://itunes.apple.com/ca/book/echoes-of-avalon/id365937122?mt=11 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.3.102.100 (talk) 10:36, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

That's another Adam Copeland. Apple store are idiots... Ozzy 17:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OzzyOnEdge (talk • contribs)

Here's an interview with the book's author: http://www.threepennyeditor.com/2010/08/interview-with-fantasy-author-adam-copeland/ Ozzy 17:25, 26 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OzzyOnEdge (talk • contribs)

Question
Didn't Edge and Mick Foley hold the Hardcore title together, making Edge a Grandslam Champion?186.45.87.156 (talk) 23:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I believe so - at One Night Stand 2006 Foley & Edge fought Funk & Dreamer and in the promo build up it showed Foley crowning Edge as the co-champion of the Hardcore title (even though it was retired at the time). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.96.44 (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Accomplishments
I'm pretty sure Edge vs Matt Hardy(2005) was named feud of the year and I remember that his TLC matches vs Hardyz and the Dudleyz(WM 2000 and X-7) were named match of the year from PWI,why the article doesn't mention these awards?--Ujkaj4president (talk) 11:48, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd just like to say that if you look at the all encompassing history/lineage of the titles currently in WWE then other wrestlers such as Bret Hart have won every active title/belt (not including Unified titles, ladies, etc.) currently in WWE. Not just Edge and Kurt Angle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.36.134 (talk) 15:16, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Ring Names
I just noticed that for some reason it is now stated the Edge has used the ring name "Edge Matthews". It is NOT true. (And it never was) It's citing this article as the source, but nowhere in there does it say that.

Please fix it.

Thank you.

Ozzy.

Ozzy 16:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OzzyOnEdge (talk • contribs)

Deleting sourced information
User talk:46.33.40.137 ‎keeps deleting sourced information from the personal life section. I asked them to stop repeatedly and they keep doing it. Not like the information is super important but this has to stop. Please help. (MgTurtle (talk) 03:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC))
 * It's actually coming from different IP addresses so not sure how to stop it without protecting the page. (MgTurtle (talk) 03:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC))

edge's age is wrong!
he was born in 1973, so he is 38.he will be 39 in october. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.179.173 (talk) 18:51, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure where you've seen this error; it's correct in the revision of current. Checked the one prior to the timestamp of your post and it was accurate as well. Papacha (talk) 22:00, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Striking spear, NOT a spear
According to Wikipedia's definition, a spear is an attack where an attacking wrestler charges toward a standing opponent, brings his body parallel to the ground and drives his shoulder into the opponent's midsection, pulling on the opponents legs, as in a double leg takedown. I've never seen Edge pull on his opponent's legs. Therefore, it must be a striking spear, where the wrestler does not pull on the legs, as in a double leg takedown, and relies on the momentum of the strike to force the opponent down. Wikipedia's definition of the striking spear seems a lot more like the Rated-R Superstar's finishing maneuver than Wikipedia's definition of a regular spear. Please change his and Christian's finishing moves' names. Thank you. 209.213.155.16 (talk) 21:05, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is a user edited site so it is not a reliable source in itself. If there is a dispute between a Wikipedia entry and reliable sources we need to go with what reliable sources say over the Wikipedia entry (AFIK no reliable source has ever claimed that Edge's move is not a spear). In this case this would mean calling Edge's move a spear and possible altering the entry in question.--70.49.81.140 (talk) 21:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Name change
Given he is no longer working for WWE, and WWE owns the rights to the Edge name, he is now advertised for events - appearances, acting roles etc. - as Adam Copeland. Should we perhaps change the name on here?

He is "Adam Copeland best known for his role as Edge", not "Edge". He said in a recent interview that Edge is a character and he has never introduced himself as Edge, always Adam (I can dig up the interview if anyone thinks the name change is a good idea).

He isn't like, say, The Rock or Hulk Hogan who really promote themselves under that alias in all aspects of their career. (Chill (talk) 16:37, 7 October 2012 (UTC))


 * I'd tend to agree. While websites/interviewers/TV shows may promote their interview with "AND WE'RE TALKING TO EDGE!", when the interview starts, they tend to refer to him as Adam. 143.65.196.4 (talk) 01:03, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Agree In a recent interview, he said he is no longer allowed to use "Edge" for appearances outside of WWE. Jzummak (talk) 21:45, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * DisagreeChill, do you want to change the name of the article to Adam Copeland instead of "Edge (wrestler)"? If so, I respectfully disagree. Even if Copeland is being called Adam now instead of Edge, Edge will still be his most popular name. More people will know him as Edge rather than Adam Copeland. He is simply known better as the wrestler Edge, rather than the actor/??? Adam Copeland, and the name of the article should remain as Edge. However, if you want to change the name in the infobox, that's fine with me.Starship.paint (talk) 02:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Agree, Wikipedia is not about what's popular but what's fact. Keeping Adam as Edge would be like keeping Arnold Schwarzenegger as The Terminator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.253.197 (talk) 15:57, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Naming conventions for all Wikipedia articles, not just wrestling articles, dictate that "The most common name for a subject,[3] as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources, is often used as a title because it is recognizable and natural.", with "Where the term "common name" appears in this policy it means a commonly or frequently used name". I am sure that you will find many more sources mentioning Edge and not Adam Copeland rather than those mentioning Copeland and not Edge. Anyway, regarding your Arnold analogy, even though he is best known as the Terminator, was the Terminator more popular than Arnold himself, given that Arnold was also a Governor of California, a celebrity actor and a bodybuilder? In this case, Edge the character is very much more popular than Adam Copeland the man, because WWE with its international outreach, has never marketed Adam Copeland, but only Edge. Starship.paint (talk) 00:41, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree the termninator example is bad. Also Arnold did not perform in that role for years week after week like Edge did. I see this as more of a stage name than a simple role.--64.229.167.20 (talk) 04:27, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

This has been discussed several times before. He is currently known most commonly as "Edge". If he moves on to a career in film--like Dwayne Johnson, perhaps?--then it might make sense to move the page to Adam Copeland. Right now, the more common name is Edge.  Chickenmonkey  05:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * He already HAS worked in film/TV under the name Adam Copeland, thus actually supporting the name change move, based on your own criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.150.191 (talk) 13:02, 22 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Agree during interviews and during credits he is announced and credited by his name Adam Copeland as The Rock regardless of what he does now he is referred to as Dwayne Johnson and in the Same way as is Copeland in regards to his real name, I believe it should be changed as clearly he has fully committed to becoming an actor full time. JMichael22 (talk) 19:47, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree Talking about Edge, he is the reason why in Spanish Wikipedia we don't use the wrestlers names as titles. Edge isn't a name or artistic name (like Lady Gaga), he is a character owned by WWE, like Pee Wee or Mr. Bean. He is best know as Edge, but Edge is a character. Other wrestlers use their ringnames in other media (Eric Young TV Program, Steve Austin, Rowdy Piper...) but Adam Copeland looks like Dwayne Johnson. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:37, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 2014

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Insufficient support for the move at this time. DrKiernan (talk) 17:24, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Edge (wrestler) → Adam Copeland – I wouldn't go for Adam "Edge" Copeland, but some sources use it, so you can vote for it if you wish. Anyway, the article uses his surname. Now that the subject is retired from WWE, he swapped from his wrestling pen name, "Edge", back to his real name, especially in a recent show, Haven (TV series). You can try search terms "WWE Edge" or "WWE Edge wrestler", especially in Google. However, this leads to broader results, especially when "edge" is used as a non-proper noun. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 05:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose - we don't go by the current names of professional wrestlers, but the most popular name / WP:COMMONNAME. Is there any reason to believe that he has somehow accumulated more publicity for his real name than his ring name which he had used from 1996-2013, under which he has had a storied career with all kinds of championships including the top titles? If the 0.4 ratings for Haven are to be believed, then it certainly isn't a top TV show. Copeland isn't even a main character on Haven. Back in 2011, when Edge was headlining SmackDown as the World Heavyweight Champion, ratings were around 2.0. There's no comparison because he's on a supporting role on a minor show. It will take a long time or a really major role/show for him to achieve the same success in TV than wrestling. starship  .paint   ~ regal  06:14, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree to Move - Adam Copeland has stated that he no longer associates his self with the name "Edge" he introduces his self as Adam Copeland since leaving WWE Copeland has gone by his real name "Edge" is a WWE owned Character and since Copeland is no longer with the company as well as no longer wrestling he only goes by his real name have it be on television, interviews... etc. I agree that since he has made the transition into acting and is being credited on the TV Series Haven (TV series) (which he plays a creditable role) and along with his other television appearances as Adam Copeland the page should be moved from Edge (wrestler) to Adam Copeland Adam Copeland On George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight: INTERVIEW - This link shows Adam Copeland stating "I always introduced my self as Adam since day one never Edge, Edge is just a character" there in point he himself no longer refers or see's himself in the Edge character and no longer carries the name along with him JMichael22 (talk) 19:38, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if Copeland doesn't see himself as Edge. Since Edge and Copeland share the same article, they have to go by the WP:COMMONNAME. Which means you need to prove that he is more well known as Copeland than Edge.. starship  .paint   ~ regal  07:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree Edge isn't a name or artistic name (like Lady Gaga), he is a character owned by WWE, like Pee Wee or Mr. Bean. He is best know as Edge, but Edge is a character. Other wrestlers use their ringnames in other media (Eric Young TV Program, Steve Austin, Rowdy Piper...) but Adam Copeland looks like Dwayne Johnson. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:21, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Dwayne Johnson is a very successful film star who has multiple leading roles in films (Tooth Fairy, The Game Plan (film), Hercules (2014 film)) or appearances in blockbuster franchises (Fast Five). Adam Copeland by comparison has had little success in television. starship  .paint   ~ regal  07:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * As I said, the main point is Edge is a character copyrighted by a company. It's hard to diferenciate from Mr. Bean or Pee Wee. COMMONNAME talks about stage names, no characters. For example, people like Bono, Hulk Hogan or Lady Gaga own their names. However, Edge is a TV Wrestling Character. As I said, it feels like Pee Wee, Mr Bean.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:27, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Mr Bean doesn't have his own article. That links to an article about the Mr Bean show, and the character is merely a subsection. As for Pee Wee Herman vs Paul Reubens... Reubens has done a lot more than just Pee Wee Herman, whereas Copeland has not done a lot more than Edge. Do you see how long in Reuben's article the sections Early life and education / 1991 arrest and retreat from public eye / 1990s and comeback in Blow / Pornography arrest: 2002 / Recent career are? Compare it to Copeland's article, if you deleted all the wrestling stuff, you'd be left with the relatively short sections of Acting career / Personal life / Controversy, none of which exceed the "length" of my computer screen. starship  .paint   ~ regal  12:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Edge is a character owned by a company Adam Copeland no longer works for and it was for a job it can no longer do, he doesn't own the rights to the name and he is no longer Edge COMMONNAME says Stage names and in Acting Copeland now goes by his real name as his Stage Name just like Dwayne Johnson left "The Rock" Character name behind because the WWE owns the rights to the Names The Rock, Edge... etc. so as Edge (wrestler) should now go by Adam Copeland it's simple it's his more COMMONNAME now since he no longer wrestles so it really doesn't matter how many sections are based on his wrestling career he is in a new chapter of his life with a new career and in that new career he goes by Adam Copeland and his page should reflect that JMichael22 (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if you are grasping the concept of WP:COMMONNAME. Use commonly recognizable names. We have to consider the life of a subject as a whole. You seem to be considering his life from 2012-present. Recognizability of a name depends on several factors: success, exposure, longevity etc. Before 1996 he was largely not notable. From 1996-2011 he was predominantly known as Edge. From 2012-2014 he was supposedly using his real Adam Copeland name. In terms of longevity it's easily Edge. Based on success, it's also Edge. WWE Champion, World Heavyweight Champion, the top two championships in the top wrestling company in the world, among many other championships. As Adam Copeland, zero leading roles in television? In terms of exposure, it's also Edge. I proved above, SmackDown has higher ratings than Haven. 2.0 vs 0.4. More people are watching SmackDown than Haven.  starship  .paint   ~ regal  03:22, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose, at best too soon. Actually the subject's notability is linked to the "character" or the "stage name", as you prefer. Currently, as Adam Copeland, he is close to non-notability. Cavarrone  06:14, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Edge is clearly his WP:COMMONNAME. Under that name he worked practically nonstop for WWF/E as Edge for 14 years.  His media appearances, such as those on The Weakest Link or Mad TV, had him billed as "Edge", as did his film, Bending the Rules.LM2000 (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The Page is called Edge (wrestler) Adam Copeland is no longer a wrestler and is no longer the Character Edge for years he wrestled under the name Edge absolutely he is known by that name but with everything he has done since leaving wrestling 3 years ago he has done as Adam Copeland I just believe the page name should reflect who he really is not a character he played on TV just like a comment it an other section says Arnold Schwarzenegger was best known for years as The Terminator he played the character of The Terminator in 4 films and is best known for his roll as The Terminator but his page doesn't reflect that his page reflects who he is, Adam Copeland played the character of Edge for many years as well as used other wrestling names in WCW and WWF yes he used Edge for many years but those names he used were characters for a job he no longer does he is a solid actor now regardless of the rating of the show, he has been on Haven regularly since 2011 as Adam Copeland since season three the show is now on season five he is Adam Copeland not Edge anymore and I believe the page should reflect that WP:COMMONNAME since retiring from wrestling and leaving the WWE in the media he is now commonly referred to as Adam Copeland not Edge (take a look at this --->) Adam Copeland Says He's No Longer Edge JMichael22 (talk) 20:35, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I read your earlier posts so there is no reason to regurgitate all of this. Copeland's notability relies almost entirely on the Edge stage name (not just the wrestling character, all media appearances made between 1997 and 2012, even those non-wrestling related, were done as Edge).  The overwhelming majority of people familiar with the subject will be searching for "Edge" not "Adam Copeland".  Moving the article because he indicated in a recent interview that he wants to move away from his old stage name is a WP:RECENTISM move, not keeping with WP:COMMONNAME.  Starship gave a pretty solid definition of WP:COMMONNAME if you have any further questions on that.LM2000 (talk) 21:28, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay then can you tell me why did The Rock (wrestler) page move to Dwayne Johnson? It is the same type of situation as Adam Copeland exact same situation besides the fact Copeland has starred in a few less things as Johnson. The Rock left wrestling and for the longest time in movies was still credited as The Rock not his real name and then was credited as Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson and not until 2007 did he start going by just Dwayne Johnson. Adam Copeland made TV appearances as "Edge" wrestled as Edge, Dwayne Johnson made appearances as "The Rock" wrestled as The Rock (currently still appears as The Rock still active on the WWE Roster as Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson) and gets credited in films as Dwayne Johnson. And you say people will be searching for "Edge" not Adam Copeland and the same goes for Dwayne Johnson people see him as The Rock he is commonly searched as The Rock not By his real name but for some reason his page has been moved to Dwayne Johnson. Adam Copeland will be search as Edge by wrestling fans but what about those who know him as Adam Copeland TV media appearances he does as Adam Copeland he is becoming recognized as Adam Copeland on the TV series he stars in he is credited Adam Copeland Not EDGE I'm saying for the past three years he's been Adam Copeland even Adam "Edge" Copeland so his page should reflect his recent stage name have it up to date because wikipedia is an encyclopedia of people, things, places, events... etc. and pages on this site should be kept up to date with the correct information Like for wrestlers who wrestle their pages have their wrestling name they are most known by an actor has their page with their stage name they use or in cases their real name and in the case of Copeland he is in a new career no long with the WWE no longer a wrestler he is an Actor by the name of Adam Copeland which his page should be titled with JMichael22 (talk) 23:06, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Edge's career outside of wrestling isn't comparable to Rock's. IMDb credits him with being in 20 episodes of Haven.  Starship breaks down why Haven doesn't come close to bringing him the notability that WWE did.  As Cavarrone says, if you removed everything "Edge" related from Copeland's career, he's a barely notable figure at best.LM2000 (talk) 00:18, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Adam Copeland is Adam Copeland not Edge and IMDB hasn't been up to date because it clearly shows seasons 2 thru 4 he stars in the up coming episodes for season 5 that have yet to be listed JMichael22 (talk) 01:01, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * People searching for Adam Copeland will be redirected to the correct page. We have pictures of him with short and long hair for recognition.
 * For your arguments about Dwayne Johnson, do you know why it was moved there? Because he has had a lot of success in the film industry as well. Dwayne Johnswon Is The Top-Grossing Actor Of 2013. When a subject has equal success in two fields, we tend to favor the real name instead of the ring name. Copeland has no such success in TV.
 * At this point, you either get it or you don't. starship  .paint   ~ regal  07:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * How can you say Copeland has had no success in TV? Being moved from guest star to a recurring role and then moved to the main cast for season five of Haven in my book is consider becoming successful gaining a larger roles is success JMichael22 (talk) 17:07, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Copeland's article says nothing about what you just said. Haven's article does not say that he is a main character in season five. Even if that were true, it's just one success, and not a very big one due to Haven's low 0.4 ratings. It's not even comparable to winning the TNA World Heavyweight Championship once due to Impact's ~1.0 ratings. Maybe it's comparable to winning the ROH World Championship once. starship  .paint   ~ regal  23:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * What do ratings have to due with the success or popularity of someone? That honestly makes no sense popularity is created by a following having fans not ratings of a TV series you have no ground making ratings the reason why the page shouldn't be moved to Adam Copeland JMichael22 (talk) 00:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's clear you're never going to get it. WP:COMMONNAME indicates that the title of the article should be one that most who are familiar with the subject will search for.  WWE is a show that gets several times the exposure that Haven does, they produce many more shows, and he spent many more years on their programming, hence most people who are familiar with Copeland/Edge are familiar with him because of his time with WWE.  Don't like comparing ratings?  Compare reliable sources.  Again, there's no comparison.  The overwhelming majority call him "Edge".  Of the few which call him Adam Copeland, he's occasionally referred to as Adam "Edge" Copeland.LM2000 (talk) 03:31, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Then like the top of this section mentions why not just call the page Adam "Edge" Copeland, regardless of it no matter what people know him as he is no longer Edge he is no longer a wrestler what he's best known for is done in the past history Edge is dead and gone and Adam Copeland is now what he goes by wrestling to him is no longer an option so let's just refer to him as Adam "Edge" Copeland plan an simple then when the times right and he gains more popularity as an actor change it to Adam Copeland JMichael22 (talk) 05:20, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * We cannot move it to Adam "Edge" Copeland. For one thing, it's not his COMMONNAME, a concept you seem to have trouble grasping.  Also, WP:STAGENAME advises not to include a nickname in-between quotation marks.  I do agree that if Copeland achieves the same level of success in show business with his actual name as Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson has then would be the time to move the article to his real name.LM2000 (talk) 07:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Only difference between Dwayne Johnson and Adam Copeland is that Johnson is a Film star and Copeland is a Television star at the moment, I believe due to his character change in Haven Copeland has gained more success taking on a larger role in the TV Series he went from being a guest star in Season 2 to becoming a recurring character in the series in Seasons 3 & 4 and with Season 5 coming up with a 26 episode season Copeland holds a main character role as Chief of the Haven Police department JMichael22 (talk) 19:30, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose. A handful of appearances on a TV show as "Adam Copeland" do not outweigh a 15 year globally televised career as "Edge". He's clearly better known as a a former wrestler who now occasionally acts rather than an actor who used to wrestle. McPhail (talk) 13:16, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Occasionally acts? How can you say someone who has been on the same TV series for 3 yrs occasionally acts he has been a regular part of the cast of Haven for 3 Seasons you've gotta do your research on his role in Haven before making statements that he's an occasional actor nothing he does anymore credits him as "Edge" it clearly says in a link I posted earlier in this section he no longer is promoted by that name because he is no longer apart of the WWE and is legally not allowed too use it anymore which is why he now uses his real name Adam Copeland which he's done a lot of media appearances as, also for any of you who have Netflix... give this a try search Edge and see the results you get and then search Adam Copeland you'll see the difference of how many things appear under Adam Copeland opposed to "Edge" I get (2 Edge results only 2 wrestling videos) and (3 Adam Copeland results 2 films and Haven) JMichael22 (talk) 18:52, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * He has appeared in 20 episodes of Haven, which averages around 1.5m to 2m viewers. By comparison, he made literally hundreds of appearances on Raw, which averages around 4m to 4.5m viewers. I appreciate he no longer uses the name "Edge" professionally, but the article title should reflect the name he is best known by. McPhail (talk) 13:02, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose Edge is the WP:COMMONNAME per above. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * As Adam Copeland progresses in his Acting career you gotta realize sooner or later he isn't Edge and the more shows and films he stars in the more you'll hear Adam Copeland not Edge, yes they have listed 20 episodes of Haven from seasons 2-4 but have yet to list the episodes for season 5 which premieres September 11 on SyFy so talk about ratings we've yet to see the rating for the 5th season of the series it's just a matter of time till he acts in more things and maybe continue on with Haven in future seasons JMichael22 (talk) 23:59, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Paint. Can't put it any better than that.  CRRays Head90  | #RaysUp 14:53, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * OpposeI'm generally for using actual names, if there's no overwhelmingly common one. Here, that's "Edge". His acting career under his real name has a ways to go before it's even close. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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Edge in Haven
As an addendum to the above discussion, I started watching Haven from the beginning recently this year, and since I began watching it due to Edge, I paid close attention when he finally showed up, and to how he was credited.

For those who say Haven is reason to call him Adam instead of Edge... he wasn't even initially credited as Adam on the show! Haven's credits initially only said "WWE Superstar Edge!" and this eventually changed into "Adam Copeland - WWE Superstar Edge" later on, where I'm up to in season 4. Now perhaps in the new 2014 eps (season 5) he drops the WWE Superstar Edge line and goes solely by Adam Copeland, I dunno, but even if that has happened, it is still a recent change and nothing to signify an overall Adam>Edge prominence in Haven, much less Adam's entire acting or professional career. 64.228.89.180 (talk) 03:27, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

BURN IN MY METALINGUS!? WTF!?!?!
So I log on here and see that the "Team Rated RKO Theme" is named "Burn in my Metalingus ("Burn in my Light" + "Metalingus")" who the hell verified that piece of crap name is the official title of the song!? From the games that Team Rated RKO were featured in, the theme was named "Team Rated RKO Theme" so why the hell is that LIE being displayed on Wikipedia with NO source confirming it?!?!? 199.79.168.211 (talk) 04:56, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I removed it. Thanks. starship  .paint   ~ regal  08:48, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

WCW US Champion
The US Championship was a WCW championship until Stephanie McMahon brought it back to SmackDown in 2002. Edge was the last WCW US Champion as part of the Invasion storyline, unifying the belt with the WWF Intercontinental Championship (you can read about that at Championship unification).LM2000 (talk) 08:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

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Edge (wrestler) → Adam Copeland – It's been over a year since the last rename discussion, and Copeland continues to find acting work unrelated to wrestling, for instance his non-trivial role as "Atom Smasher" in the Oct 6, 2015 debut of the second season of The Flash, in which he is credited under his given name sans reference to "Edge". Given the popularity and acclaim The Flash has received, it's reasonable to assume Copeland is now being exposed to a wider viewer demographic unaware of his previous occupation. Froglich (talk) 07:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose Edge is still his WP:COMMONNAME.LM2000 (talk) 09:09, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. I think he has a long way to go before his real name becomes more prevalent than his wrestling persona. While netting a role on The Flash is a nice step, for 13+ years he was exposed weekly to a worldwide audience of millions as Edge. During his active tenure he was one of WWE's most accomplished and notable performers. In fact, to this very day he still makes occasional appearances on WWE programming as Edge.


 * Until he lands a main role in a long-running TV series with consistently high ratings, or stars in a high-grossing film (on similar levels to Dwayne Johnson or Dave Bautista), I'm not sure there is much of an argument to be made. Prefall  09:26, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Reply: Has it occurred to either of you that one can be a wrestler for twenty years and not be known outside of that niche? I dispute the contention that "Edge" is "commonly recognizable" (per COMMONNAME). I never heard of the guy until I watched The Flash last night (never heard of Bautista either, and the Bautista article does not appear to have previously gone by a stage-name title). The Flash is the highest-rated and highest-accoladed show in the DC superhero television constellation, and is the highest-rated show on its network -- It could be credibly argued that more people are going to know of Copeland from his scenes amounting to ten minutes combined on that show than are from his entire previous career. In any event, neither Copeland nor DC refer to him as "Edge", he's hasn't been a wrestler in almost half a decade, and he's made it clear "I'm out" (of wrestling). --Froglich (talk) 10:31, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Most of the answers you're looking for have been addressed in the previous RM. Copeland's notability comes almost entirely from his WWE career, where he was known exclusively as Edge.  It's entirely possible he could achieve a higher level of fame elsewhere in entertainment, like the examples Prefall listed, but he has a little ways to go before he's in that league.LM2000 (talk) 12:05, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * "Copeland's notability comes almost entirely from his WWE career" -- Currently, none of his newly-generated notability is coming under the moniker "Edge".--Froglich (talk) 04:31, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ignoring previously established notability in favor of newly-generated notability is a WP:RECENTISM problem. Edge had a hall of fame wrestling career, Copeland isn't even listed in the cast section on The Flash's article.LM2000 (talk) 05:22, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not recentism if the previously-established notability is going-on five years old, and neither the individual nor his new employers refer to him by the old title. And you linked the main cast entry for The Flash; Copeland is on the complete list. The fact that he has generated any more recent notability on his own outside of his previous gig warrants an article entitled with his real name, not a prior occupation stage handle. He's his own man now, and the Wikipedia entry shouldn't be an advertizing gimmick for the WWE.--Froglich (talk) 05:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * "It's not recentism if the previously-established notability is going-on five years old..." Actually, it is.LM2000 (talk) 23:50, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose "Are you going to see the new Adam Copeland movie?" "Who the hell is Adam Copeland?" "You know, he was Edge in WWE." "Oh, him. Why didn't you say so?" "Well, he's using his real name now." "Yeah, but his wrestling career was far more noteworthy than his acting career." "You can say that again. So, are you going to see the movie?" "No, I don't think I'll bother." GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:07, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * "Who the hell is 'Edge'?", asks everyone else who doesn't pay attention to choreographed wrestling. (Ringside announcer voice: "Early !voting returns, though an unrepresentative sampling so far at 2-of-4, are dominated by wresting SPAs...."
 * --Froglich (talk) 07:16, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem is that most people who haven't watched wrestling don't know who Adam Copeland is. How many Adam Copeland fans do you think there are compared to Edge fans? He has a long, long way to go before he oversteps the notability he achieved through wrestling. It isn't a matter of "advertising his WWE gimmick", it's using the most commonly recognized name that is associated to him.
 * His Twitter account includes "Edge" in both his handle and his display name, while his WWE-operated fanpage on Facebook has almost 6 million likes under the "Edge" moniker. We could get into Nielsen ratings, Google trends, or whatever else to see how much exposure he's garnered over the years, but frankly that seems frivolous at this point as this discussion has already been beaten to death in previous RMs. Until his acting career takes a monumental leap, we're just going to continue talking in circles. Prefall  08:28, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * By your logic, we should be rename the article Atom Smasher, since Flash gets higher ratings than WWE.--Froglich (talk) 09:54, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Only if you compare it to the record-low viewership WWE does today, which still leaves Raw with similar numbers as The Flash. The episode of The Flash that he appeared on for 10 minutes (as you said), averaged 3.58 million viewers. From 1998 to 2001, Edge was apart of the wrestling boom, where WWE's ratings peaked (see Monday Night Wars and Attitude Era). From 2002 until 2011 (when Edge retired from active performing), Raw did anywhere from 4–6 million viewers, while SmackDown regularly did 3+ million. Both are notable due to WWE's "brand split" at the time, which made Edge swap between the two shows every few years.
 * Just to give you a few examples of what the ratings were like while he was active:
 * Report on Raw's viewership steadily rising in 2004–05, and hitting a 4.4 rating with 5.9 million viewers on a June 2005 episode
 * Report on Raw jumping to a 4.3 rating the night after Edge won the WWE championship in January 2006, and his segment with Lita pulled a 5.2 rating
 * The lowest viewership of his career came a couple months before his retirement, when SmackDown sometimes plummeted as low as 2.5 million
 * The April 2011 episode of Raw where he announced his retirement did a 3.4 rating with 5.45 million viewers
 * And that's without getting into WWE's international markets. Basically, that single episode of The Flash doesn't come close to the amount of exposure he was given weekly over the course of 13+ years. Prefall  01:23, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


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Married to Beth?
Why does it say on the right hand side, under his picture and outline of information, that he married Beth Phoenix in 2014.... Neither he nor Beth have said they were actually married. I would like to see actual cited proof of this. Otherwise it should be changed. Under his Personal Life section, it says nothing about them being married, just talks about them having a child, Lyric- Adam gave his daughters full name on the recent podcast he and Jason Reso did with Steve Austin after a RAW show; her full name is Lyric Rose Copeland.

Still, I would like to see proof of them being married.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.56.235.12 (talk) 07:34, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Marriage to Beth
Please note, that as October 30, 2016 Beth Kocianski known in the WWE as Beth Phoenix, and the mother of Adam Copeland's two daughters, has changed her name to Beth Copeland. It needs to be checked to see if this confirms that Beth and Adam have officially wed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lady Dragonsblood (talk • contribs) 08:36, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

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Mistake on a page
Hi. I was reading the page on Edge (the wrestler) aka Adam Copeland and I noticed when you put one of his ex-wives down you accidentally put her brother's name. You say he was married to Sean Morley (kinda funny actually) who is another male wrestler when in fact he was married to Sean's sister Alanah, according to your own page on Sean. Thought I would let you know. Matt 01/03/15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.141.254.210 (talk) 06:10, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I've reworded it, does it make sense to you now? starship.paint  ~ ¡ Olé !  06:22, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Burn in my Metalingus sounds very sexual and very wrong FlashGaming (talk) 01:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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