Talk:Edinburgh/Archive 3

Clean up
The article seems cluttered in most places, I organised the sections as much as possible but a lot of the areas could probably be re written completely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anarchistdy (talk • contribs) 07:33, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Main Image
What happened to the nice main image of the city near the top of the page. Eh? Eh? Well, eh? Well? Hmm? Eh? There are some nice images near the bottom, but why not near the top? Hmm? Eh?


 * Whats wrong with it? It is an accurate image of Edinburgh I think. You guys should take a look at the Glasgow images...!Joseph1990 (talk) 20:03, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've put a few images together in effort to spruce up the main image. Uploaded via Flickr and fully attributed. I did the same for Glasgow though going on Joseph1990's comment, this sort of thing isn't welcome? Glasgow's wiki page changes re. the main image have been popular and used on various wiki pages of other languages. I don't see the problem in making the main image attractive based on local landmarks. Let me know what you think in any case but I would really appreciate it if someone could implement this to the Wiki page, as I really don't know what Im doing there! Take a look, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edinburgh_Montage.png Scottfree92 (talk) 22:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The image was deleted about 18 minutes ago for being a copyright violation. Nev1 (talk) 23:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok. :) back to the drawing board. Thanks for letting me know! Scottfree92 (talk) 09:45, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nil desperandum. I'm sure you'll come up with a good replacement. I've stuck in a temporary holding image meantime. Kim Traynor | Talk 17:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Kim Traynor - though you changed the image, the previous one had actually been approved and was present on the page for the past year at least with numerous copies on other languages' pages. Whilst I'm keen for it to stay, was this consensus? Happy to hear opinions. 75.40.22.66 (talk) 03:14, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No, if you look at the three preceding comments, you'll see that the main image was removed for "copyright violation". I assume that refers to one or more of its elements. The space was blank, so I posted a temporary replacement to fill it and later deleted the leftover caption which no longer made sense. I made the intention behind posting a new image clear, if you care to check the edit in the "View history" and take the trouble to read the comment I left above on this page. I understand from Scottfree92's comment "back to the drawing board" that he intends to redo the main image, circumventing the copyright problem, and it can then be reappear in modified form. If you prefer another image to the current one, go ahead and replace it. Kim Traynor | Talk 09:32, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * It appears there has been some confusion over dates here. An image "Montage_Edinburgh.png" was indeed deleted for copyright reasons on 16th April 2012 but was replaced by the "back to the drawing board" image referenced "MontageEdinburgh.png" on 26th April 2012. More than a year later, this was deleted without explanation on 5th June 2013. The deletion in 2013 has nothing to do with what happened in 2012 and I can see no reason why the image "MontageEdinburgh.png" should not be reinstated.77.99.105.125 (talk) 15:53, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Confusion is right. I came across the page looking rather forlorn without the lead image, glanced quickly at the above entries on the Talkpage, and, without noticing the 2012 date, assumed the copyright problem had arisen recently. How very odd that anyone should have removed the montage without reason. Looks like it might just have been a bit of mischievous vandalism. I've restored the lost image and caption, so the page is back to normal. Kim Traynor | Talk 16:33, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Edinborough
I was expecting to find some explanation of Edinborough as opposed to Edinburgh spelling in the article but there isn't. To my surprise there isn't even a mention of it in either archive section on the discussion page, although there is a related topic in archive 1 about the pronunciation. Is it a matter of Scottish vs English spelling or is Edinborough just plain wrong? The Seventh Taylor (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * See Burgh. As far as I know, Edinburgh has never been spelled Edinborough. Colonies Chris (talk) 14:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Or, as you said, Edinborough is "just plain wrong", both as a spelling and as a pronunciation. -- Derek Ross | Talk'' 18:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * And yet my great-great-great grandfather listed his place of birth as Edinbourough, Scotland on his marriage license. So I have to assume that the place did exist in 1853, and I always thought that it was just another way to spell Edinburgh. -Lynn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.117.67 (talk) 18:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

It's not and never has been a spelling for Edinburgh, in English or Scots. Not a conventional one at least. Burgh is the spelling in Scotland. Where was the marriage licence obtained? I'd imagine from your spelling of license that you are in North America, and possibly your ancestor was also married there? I'd also guess a registrar filled in the licence, not your ancestor, and may never have heard of Edinburgh, let alone knew how to spell it. Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I was watching Terror by Night. The characters in this film are taking a train from London to Edinburgh. However, there is frequent mention of "Edinboro," never of "Edinburgh." I can only assume that in Britain, the pronunciation is "Edinboro."Lestrade (talk) 21:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)Lestrade


 * An American film made for an American audience? Why would you assume that that tells you anything about the pronunciation in Britain? -- Derek Ross &#124; Talk'' 04:59, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

The actors were all British. The locale was Britain. The film had nothing whatever to do with the U.S.A..Lestrade (talk) 02:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)Lestrade


 * Feesh! Read the article and play the .ogg file for the way it is pronounced please? ( Like going to London and hearing tourists ask for "Lysester Square" rather than "Leicester Square"!! Brendandh (talk) 08:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

It seems that, in Britain, the letters "gh" do not have a hard "g" sound. They have a soft, inaudible sound. In the English language, "gh" always was a problem. I recall Bernard Shaw's spelling of "ghoti" for the word "fish."Lestrade (talk) 13:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)Lestrade

This seems to be another pointless discussion. The Scottish word is 'burgh'. The English equivalent is 'borough'. These are conventional spellings for the same word. In early texts English visitors will write that they have visited Edinborough. User:Kim Traynor (talk) 14:59, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not a simply a Scottish word... the word is from the Northumbrian Angles, it is Germanic in origin. Hence the old Northumbrian capital of Bamburgh, which is why I dispute the Edinburgh name origin because it makes much more sense that Edinburgh = Edwin's burgh referring to King Edwin (most of Lothian was under Angle rule during Edwin's time). There are many similarities between Bamburgh and Edinburgh in terms of castle location. I think the re-write of history in this wiki-article concerning the origins of the name is more down to Scottish nationalism than fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.137.163 (talk) 21:06, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Not a National Capital
Here is the list: National Capitals Wallie (talk) 14:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:RS, wikipedia is not a reliable source. Edinburgh city council is. Nev1 (talk) 14:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The linked "List of national capitals" now includes Edinburgh for Scotland, anyway. 94.173.12.152 (talk) 07:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Scottish Enlightenment
Changing references to the Scottish Enlightenment to reflect that it was SCOTTISH not British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JScotia (talk • contribs) 21:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Edinburgh
I've started a WikiProject Edinburgh as I can't believe it's the only capital city in the home countries not to have a project dedicated to it. And it certainly deserves to have one. The page is pretty basic right now, but I will expand it in the next few days. In the meantime if anyone else wants to contribute then please feel free. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 18:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Peer review
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