Talk:Editing of anime in distribution/Archive 1

My article has grown up
((::gasp!!::))

Well I am surprised to find that my own little topic went from a bare-bones wiki to almost a teenager-sized version the next minute! I never thought someone would fill in the gaps in here! Impressed I am! —This unsigned comment was added by Seishirou Sakurazuka (talk • contribs).

Renaming of series
I disagree that simply renaming a series (or a part of it) when brought to the US constitutes censorship. The biggest example of this is Pokemon. It couldn't be brought to the US as "Pocket Monsters", as it interfered with a standing trademark already owned by Universal Studios. That's not censorship, that's a marketing issue. Additionally, "Zolo" in One Piece again interferes with a standing copyright, which again becomes a marketing issue, not a censorship one.

While I'm aware of the censorship points in Pokemon aside from the name (the strobing episode, for example), but simple name changes because they interfere with existing intellectual property I don't think qualifies in this case. I do, however, agree that Americanizing something just so it will sell is abhorrent, but that's an extreme in the opposite direction of what I'm referring to.--Mitsukai 17:50, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Neutrality
The language used in this article is openly biased against the subject. It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think about the subject - this isn't a forum for people's views, it's about unbiased, straight-up information. Terms like "inane" and "abuse" have no place in this context. —This unsigned comment was added by Chris McFeely (talk • contribs).

Types of Censorship
I've noticed some other types of anime censorship not mentioned here. For example, characters in Pokemon frequently ate riceballs while calling them "donuts". Also, in Sailor Moon there were two female characters who were lovers, but were rewritten in the American version as cousins.

I feel that these two types of censorship don't quite fit into the descriptions under "Removal of native cultural references" or "Removal of material that could be deemed offensive to some religions/cultural groups". —This unsigned comment was added by 60.224.59.222 (talk • contribs).


 * Well, the first one certainly fits under "Removal of material that could be deemed offensive to some religions/cultural groups." How do you see that it doesn't? Just curious. :-) As for the riceball -> donuts change, that would definitely fit under "Removal of native cultural reference," especially since riceballs are extremely uncommon in North America. Outside of Hawaii and a few enclaves of Japanese society in some of the larger cities, finding a riceball is extremely rare. nihon 18:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Category:Censored Anime up for deletion
Category:Censored Anime, of which this article is a part of, is up for deletion. Here is the link: Categories for deletion/Log/2005 August 14 ~ Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 21:46, 2005 August 14 (UTC)

External References
Guys, keep it to a minimum on the external references. The ex refs should not be larger than the article itself. Also, if you're going to reference articles, ensure that they're from more than one site, as pulling (for exmaple) all the anti-censoring articles from the Digimon Uncensored site alone is heavily POV.--Mitsukai 22:27, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Article title change
Was there a reason for the renaming of the article? I don't have a problem with the new name, mind, I'm just curious as to why there was a title change.--Mitsukai 00:18, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Look up the definition of censorship and you will get a clue why I changed it. Censorship in this context is way too loaded. WhisperToMe 02:15, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Maybe so, but could'nt you have shortened the name a little bit? The long title is unnecessary. --Seishirou Sakurazuka 05:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Yugioh setting
Does anyone actually have the information where the Yugi and his crew came from in the edited Anime. The article says the United States but that doesn't make any sense because in the one arc they clearly mention the fact that they traveled to the United States. Adam Y. 16:00, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

In the edited anime, they live in this fictional city called Domino. It's pretty confusing because there's no mention of a foreign country in the edit. —This unsigned comment was added by 71.139.179.168 (talk • contribs).

Major Rewrite
I was just being bold and did a major rewrite of this article. The current version was extremely NPOV and this is an important topic and I wanted to try and handle it in a style fitting for Wikipedia. (The version that was here was possibly ripe for VfD and had become very otaku.) I significantly shortened the article, tried to provide more mainstream examples which non-anime fans can relate to, removed much of the most blatant "censorship-is-bad", and made other changes. I don't know if these changes will be universally liked. I hope you do not simply revert back to the previous version. I think some of the points about subbing/dubbing which I removed should be moved to the subtitle article or someplace similar as they didn't directly relate to censorship. What do you think? JRP 04:19, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I can see where you were trying to go with the article, but considering it is "Editing of anime in international distribution," the article should focus on anime rather than talking generically about any kind of imported show (this is done several times throughout the article). Also, the article focuses mostly on censorship, which is not the same thing as editing (though censorship is a type of editing, the reverse is not necessarily true). Censorship is specific removal of items because they don't fit into a perceived viewpoint (removing nudity, swearing, guns, etc.). Editing, on the other hand, could be as simple as removing extra unimportant parts, or slightly speeding up some parts of the show in order to fit a shorter time frame. I recommend rewoprking the revision a bit to discuss editing more, and perhaps have one subsection in the article specifically talking about the type of editing known as censorship. Good job, though. (^_^) --nihon 08:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Right. Yeah. I was writing it more for its original title Censorship in anime which had a more limited scope and which most of the content of the previous version was directed to. We can add a new editing section which covers that topic and rework this to make it play. I'll see what I can do later hwen I'm more awake. :) JRP 11:22, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Nudity and Sexuality
US broadcast television does allow some nudity, es evidenced by shows such as NYPD Blue. --nihon 02:17, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Examples of edited anime (Other than DBZ)
Alright. at 5:00 AM on New Year's Eve, I have seen Gundam Seed Phase 31, and before the end of the show I noticed two things odd: 1. When Miralia Haww got so furious about losing her boyfriend Tolie Koenig because of what Athrun Zala did, the camera focuses to the medical kit to grab a knife of some kind to stab Dearka Elsman, a prisoner of the Archangel, and when Miralia busts through the curtain in the medical room where Dearka was lying with his hands tied to his back, Mirialia WAS holding a knife, but I didn't see it because it was censored out. Otherwise, why would she be balling her fist up abut to stab him? Later, Flay got what I now learned of as the "disco gun" which was edited to make it unrealistic and futuristic. The extra lights on the gun shouldn't be there since it's supposed to be a realistic war on Gundam Seed. it doesn't make sense. There ought to be more examples of brash editing that was done like on Seed, but other than DBZ. and you know what?

This type of situation with DBZ is kind of ironically funny in a sort of way: The Japanese have seen the full version of DBZ uncut and uncensored (almost), and it wasn't edited any other way. But Gen Fukunaga...a man of Japanese descent and Funimation President...had DBZ edited for syndication purposes, and later he screwed us with even MORE editing and censoring (even with Saban, the company that helped edit the show for syndication!), so it's kind of ironic and funy that the Japanese get's the full version and us Americans are given the one with all of the good stuff taken away by a man of Japanese descent!

Not only that, in Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters, when Setou Kaiba prepare his brand new prototype Duel Disk to do battle with Pegasus J. Crawford, just as he was about to leave, Pegasus's two goons burst through the door to Kaiba's house and forced him to come with them to Pegasus using...NOTHING?! The two goons obviously had guns to force Kaiba to go with them, otherwise they wouldn't be pointing just their fists only at Kaiba. It wouldn't make any sense. The reason why I started the now-called "Editing of anime in international distribution" (formerly Censorship of Anime) so that people would get a good look at how puritanically prudish the USA is about editing anime so that it is shown for children.

--Seishirou Sakurazuka 20:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Minor factual quibble (somewhat OT)
The article states: " ... inversely, United States cultural exports are also often heavily modified for foreign distribution"

I have serious dificulties believing this. I live outside the US and pretty much all editing done to american products is the one done in the US, with the american audience and standards in mind (such as the beeps covering the most widely used word in the modern english language). I'll delete this part, unless somebody can prove this claim. 213.172.254.124 02:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm striking the line in question out. 213.172.254.54 00:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Going baised again!
It seems this article is going baised again! According to the refrences, most of the infomation to this article comes from "uncensored" sites. Do reaslise, that "uncensored" sites are effectivly "flame" sites who just flames dubs to try and decive people into thinking the sub is better (which too, has its own faults.). Wikipedia is not a proganda machine so don't force your opions on to this article. Start refering to pro-dub or neutral anime sites in future. -Dynamo_ace Talk

This article is very fan-centric POV
So, I've marked it in need of serious copyediting (for POV and for poor English in many places throughout the article) and marked it POV for many of the reasons already listed on this page, above. --nihon 02:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree, as I thought after monitering the recent changes and realizing about how some of the subjects are being repeated too much. I would suggest about working to tone this page abit. --Adv193 03:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I think this article needs a partial block against anon users. The history log shows that they bear the bulk of the problem. However, such drastic mesaures need to holded on a refrendum basis. -Dynamo_ace Talk

Just a comment..
It is possible to edit more than one word at a time, and is preferable to having a whole page of edit history filled in one day by one person. Shiroi Hane 04:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Very true. What brought on this sudden epiphany? (^_-) --nihon 04:29, 10 February 2006 (UTC)