Talk:Eduard Limonov

Eduard Limonov as constitutional human rights activist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy-31 Eduard Limonov is leader of a Strategy-31 a series of civic protests to support the right to peaceful assembly in Russia (Article 31 of the Russian Constitution), which have been held since July 31, 2009 in Moscow, on Triumfalnaya Square, on the 31st of every month with 31 days.

politics & artist
Home, maybe you know Limonov only for his political activities, but I suspect that this is because you're interested in fringe politics and not in literature. He's not just a poet; he's also known for a number of novels and memoirs. If you read this article, you'll discover that the literary community thinks of him as a talented Russian writer who unfortunately got involved in fringe politics. I don't know where you're getting "artist" since as far as I know he's just a writer. Isomorphic 22:10, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, a google search revealed nothing to suggest that Limonov is affiliated with the International Third Position. They share similar ideology, but it seems strange to give him a political affiliation he probably wouldn't give himself. Isomorphic 22:14, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking of "third position" as far as his political philosophy (ie influence of Strasserism) rather than a formal affilation but I can live without that link. I do think his politics merits mention in the opening though. I understand that many people only know him through his literary reputation and know nothing, or are uninterested, in his politics but there are also many who know him as a political figure and aren't as interested in his literary work (indeed, at this point, he may be better known as a politician than as a poet). As for "artist" I got that from his involvement in the punk/avant garde movement in the 1970s (and mean "artist" in the broader sense ie poets are artists) but again, if author/poet is more precise, so be it. Homey 23:50, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, he's an artist in the sense that any writer is an artist. But if you say he's a writer and an artist it implies (at least to me) that he does something artistic besides writing.  I'm happy with the intro as it now stands.  Also, thanks for making it clear that he founded the National Bolsheviks. "Currently leader" didn't do him justice, since he's the only leader they've ever had. Isomorphic 03:47, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I got the impression that Limonov's artistic activity extends beyond writing but that's just an impression, I thought "artist" was more encompassing than just "writer" or "poet" but you're right about the problems with the phrase "writer and artist". Homey 14:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

He istnt Anti-Semite
Liminov isnt antisemite, in National Bolshevik Party are people with Jewish descent, "Limonka" never published any antisemitic articles

"by which I guess they mean Israel" then why not say "Israel delenda est"? There's a famous headline from a British paper in the 1930s quoted often by anti-Semites concerning the passage of a resolution calling for a boycott of German goods by a a Jewish congress. The headline reads "Judea declares war on Germany". The name "Judea" has been quite commonly used to refer to the "Jewish people" though it is a bit arcane now it is still quite commonly used in that way by anti-Semites. Homey 01:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

"most members of which are, unsurprisingly, Jewish immigrants from ex-USSR."

Actually, quite a number of immigrants to Israel from the ex-USSR are not Jewish or have dubious claims to Jewish heritage- a result of Israel's desperation to find settlers for the West Bank in the 1990s.Homey 01:22, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

recent addition not sourced properly
regarding "In 1995 Limonov was judged by a Russian court of having committed ethnic hate crimes. In his decision"In essence, E. V. Limonov (Savenko) is an advocate of revenge and mass terror, raised to the level of state policy."  " there is no source for any judgement against Limonov in 1995. The link is to a 1996 decision at a pretrial hearing, with no conviction (only a recommendation to see if prosecution can happen). If there was a conviction, we should definitely put it in, so please find a real source if possible. Dsol 15:39, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Do not readd unsourced material, 69.253.195.228. This is official policy: CITE You can play by the rules or be blocked.  If he was judged in 1995, don't give us a pretrial hearing document from 1996. Dsol 20:01, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

may be useful
http://web.archive.org/web/20020226000715/www.exile.ru/117/limonov.php when i have time i'll focus some attention on this sorry and onesided article. I would tag it npov now, but I hate when people who are too lazy to edit do that.

why was he kicked out of the Soviet Union?
That's pretty much my question The Secretary of Funk 05:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the legend, he was summoned to the KGB in 1973 and received an offer to become an informer. As he reportedly claims, upon his refusal he was faced with a choice between leaving Moscow and leaving the country, preferring the latter. No idea whether any of this is true. Guinness man 09:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems like your standard dissident stuff. Seems kinda odd for a guy who admires Stalin and Beria though. The Secretary of Funk 23:34, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That does not quite seem like standard dissident stuff to me because I believe in the 70's the privilege of leaving the country was reserved for Solzhenitsyn-caliber figures who, if dealt with in some other way, would have made too much noise. I don't think Limonov was particularly famous or influential at that point in his career, but this is just my impression...
 * As for his current views, he has publicly expressed support for Chechen separatists during the Beslan massacre, the recent liberal-democratic revolution (sic) and Stalin simultaneously. He seems to be a very confused and/or deranged individual who may need some help. Guinness man 11:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

That just goes to show what kinda man he is.A moral heroDzoni 13:24, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I meant not wanting to become an informer seems like standard dissident stuff. I thought it was odd that someone who likes Stalin wouldn't want to be an informer but I guess it makes about as much sense as the other positions you pointed out. Although I remember reading a piece he wrote for The eXile where he says both Yanyukovich and Yushchenko suck. The Secretary of Funk 04:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

What a great man
Serbian people will never forget his support in 1992,when he personaly shot at Sarajevo.Limonov is one of few remaining true greatsDzoni 06:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Is he a Christian? Is he bisexual? Where does he stand on Chechnya? What did he think of September 11th?
a russian is no man, the boy's a pig.

Sorry for so many questions but there is so much contradictory information on this guy out there. I know he has some weird views but some of this just has to be distortions. 1) Is he Christian? He wrote an article in The eXile saying Joan of Arc is one of his heros and here's a picture of him wearing a cross http://ramones.ru/histories/ru/limonov/limo1.jpg 2) Is he bisexual and what is the NBP's stand on gays? This article http://www.opendemocracy.net/globalization-institutions_government/nazi_russia_3511.jsp says they want to get rid of them but Limonov himself has written about sucking guys dicks 3) That same article says the NBP supports a "final solution" type answer to the war in Chechnya. On the other hand, someone on this page said he expressed support for seperatists during the Beslan massacre. 4) The article from slate says his response to September 11th was "holy shit" but doesn't go beyond that. What was his opinion? Also, in the links there's an article about Islam but it doesn't work anymore. It might have some answers to questions about religion, Chechnya, and September 11th. Does anyone know where there's another copy? The Secretary of Funk 05:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The article (in fact an interview) on Islam can be found at http://eng.nbp-info.ru/435.html.


 * I can't in all honesty see in Limonov an anti-semite, a homophobe or a racist. I've read a lot of his works, both political and literary - he is actually quite apt at being tolerant. He may be odd, deranged, a 'pervert' and all that, but come on - who's going to cast the first stone at him? He's intelligent, sexually omnivorous and apparently very good at being friends with just about anyone. Of course, there's a world of difference between him personally and the supporters his NazBolshevism attracts. It may well be that splinter groups or NazBol-ists outside of his immediate influence and supervision do actually condone and promulgate racism, antisemitism and homophobia - underpriveleged and underemployed lumpenproletariat is not known for their enlightened views of humanity and historical responsibility. But I would venture to say that Limonov *personally* can give, to use a Russian phrase, a hundred points handicap to the vast majority of his Russian contemporaries when it comes to tolerance.AxmxZ 22:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

NBP support stopping a war in Chechnya: http://nazbol.ru/rubr28/index0/264.html (http://www.nbp-info.ru/new/photo/230204/18.htm on banner: "Revolution in Russia, not a war in Chechnya")


 * "Revolution in Russia, not a war in Chechnya" photo: https://web.archive.org/web/20071114205400/http://www.nbp-info.ru/new/photo/230204/18.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by SankyaF1 (talk • contribs) 08:23, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Contributions to the Exile
Please, please, remove this reference, I have a friend who's convinced the Exile articles are actually put together by Limonov - he's put money on it, and while I certainly don't have to hand over anything to him on account of a wikipedia article, it gives him good grounds to withold my winnings.Ticket-tout 20:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Bias
The article is heavily biased towards the political activities of Limonov. But, after all, he is a very significant writer, one of a few modern Russian authors appreciated by Nabokov, btw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.1.138 (talk) 22:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Stubborn IP
As noted in my previous edit summary, I have asked the IP reverted by at least three editors to "Please follow WP policies: use neutral, scholarly sources _independent_ of the subject; do not make use of primary sources to make claims about third parties, and use the talk page if possible" before reverting everyone else in sweeping edits to the lede that are worded in a WP:SOAPBOX way and which delete material from noted scholars like Stephen Shenfield. Since the IP is unwilling to discuss, I'll simply caution that using the editing privileges to delete sourced material and rewrite the article for propaganda purposes will result in my asking for protection from IP edits or block for edit warring. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 10:54, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Savenko
Is he an ethnic ukrainian? His family name, Savenko, isn't russian - it's typically ukrainian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.22.166.8 (talk) 12:00, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a Ukrainian name but I think he is of Jewish family. Also many Ukrainian Jews have taken typical Ukrainian names. Närking (talk) 18:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * He is half Ukrainian, half Russian, 0% Jewish. His father is an ethnic Ukrainian, Veniamin Savenko, while his mother is an ethnic Russian, Rimma Zybkina. Валентин Васильев (talk) 00:19, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Veniamin is not a very Ukrainian name. In any case, it's all guesswork. As they say, references or didn't happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.217.248 (talk) 20:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

block quote area
Is there a reason for the block quote / background color change in the first section? It doesn't seem like it belongs. --RichardMills65 (talk) 04:25, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Removal of well sourced material
I provided this reference to RFE/RL. Please self-revert. Thank you. My very best wishes (talk) 05:43, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll readd this. I didn't notice that you inserted a different link from your edit summary. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 05:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

No longer an opponent of Putin
Since the start of the Ukraine crisis, Limonov has been strongly supportive of the Kremlin's annexation of Crimea and its backing for separatist forces in east Ukraine. He has also been a regular columnist for the pro-Putin newspaper Izvestiya. In an article in the newspaper on 21 May,he called on the Kremlin to shut down several independent or liberal media outlets and to deport leading journalists critical of the government http://izvestia.ru/news/586703 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.185.161.97 (talk) 15:49, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

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