Talk:Education in Egypt/Archive 1

Ramified
What's "ramified"? If it means what I think it means, doesn't the first sentence mean nothing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.232.51.165 (talk • contribs)

Primary education
The Section on primary education contains unsupported information. There is a huge wealth of statistics which can be provided on truancy, enrollment and other indicators which should be used here.Nedalz 08:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I will try to look into it and update the article with that info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haqeeqat (talk • contribs) 03:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Dates of the school year
Greetings all. The page Academic term lists countries by the date/extent of the school year. North America, Europe, Asia, and Oceania are almost exclusively represented on the list. This country has not yet been added onto the page. Would anyone be able to pop over, and give it a quick edit? Thanks, samwaltz 22:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Defacement
This page has experienced few defacements. I suggest to make it semi-protected due to vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohamed Magdy (talk • contribs) 09:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

That may be what happened in the sentence: The public education system in Egypt consists of three levels: the basic education stage for 4–14 years old: kindergarten for two years followed by primary school for sex teaching and preparatory school for three years.Dr hilto (talk) 18:15, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments on Education in Egypt
The purpose of these comments is to provide suggestions to the authors on how to further improve the article from the current start-class rating. Since I am not an expert on education in Egypt, I prefer to make my comments here instead of making changes directly to the article. The article already has a lot of useful comments, but - in my view - it could be substantially improved by making some clarification,s adding relevant information, improving its structure, and some editing. It may be useful for contributors to look at a more developed article on education by country, such as Education in France, as an example that could bring some inspiration to improve the article.

Need for clarifications
The article does not clearly explain what the “wealth gap” in education means. How is it defined? How is it calculated? It seems that the wealth gap, however defined, is lower in Egypt than in MENA overall. Does the flagship report quoted in the article elaborate on the reasons for this difference? It may be useful to create a separate article entitled “Wealth gap in education” to explain this concept, and then make reference to it in various articles on education by country.

The article mentions regional exams. Later on – in demographics (why there?) – the article states the educations system is “highly centralized”. Much later it mentions that regional exams are taken only at the level of primary education. It may be useful to clarify at the beginning of the article the issue of centralization, and what specific (limited) competences exist at the local level.

Potentially important missing information
There is almost no information on the quality of education and on educational outcomes, except a comment from The Economist on the quality of public universities that I just added. Coverage of outcomes would ideally go beyond literacy and include other international comparators (it seems that Egypt did not participate in the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment, although a few other non-OECD countried participated).

Relative importance of types of schools: Include, if possible, the share of enrolment in each type of school and the number of schools by type (for the primary level, this is given later in the article, but such important information should be provided best up-front).

Higher Education: The article Egyptian universities has a lot of useful information, some of which could be integrated in the article. It may also be useful to make a “see also” reference o the article Universities in Egypt at the beginning of the section on higher education.

Legal Framework: In the demographics section (why there?) a 1981 law is mentioned. Why not summarize the key laws on education in Egypt in a separate paragraph?

The history section is very brief and does not seem to do justice to the long and rich history of education in Egypt. It would be interesting to elaborate on outside influences, in particular the French influence after Napoleon’s expedition. Also, it may be interesting to sketch in some more detail the evolution and reforms of the education system since the opening (infitah) of Egpypt in the 1970s and, most recently, the reforms in higher education leading to the boom of private universities.

Education inequality: I wonder if there should be an additional section commenting on the issues with education inequality in Egypt? While there is a section on "challenges" I think this could be greatly expanded. lnicholson14 (talk) 16:54 10 September 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.42.70.149 (talk) 01:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Qandil reviews plan to eradicate illiteracy of 17 million. (2012, August 14). AmCham Egypt Project News. Retrieved October 1, 2012 from the Lexis-Nexis Academic database.

Topol, S.A.(2012, July). The plagues of Egypt. Newsweek, 160(3). Retrieved October 1, 2012, from the Lexis-Nexis Academic database.

Wahba, M.M.(2012, September). Significance of TVET is not being felt in developing countries. Skills Ahead. Retrieved October 1, 2012 from the Lexis-Nexis Academic database.

I believe that this article was very in depth and well written, however, there was nothing on the education in Egypt after the events of 2011. Therefore, I brought forward three articles that I believe will bring this article more up-to-date.

For example, the first article mentioned was a brief piece describing the illiteracy situation of the country. In this article, The Chairman of the general authority for literacy and adult education describes the illiteracy numbers in Egypt

The Newsweek article is a lot lengthier than the previous one, describing several problems that Egypt is going through, including, most importantly, the education situation. This article goes into detail about Egypt's "failing education system" and how it is "good for nothing".

The last article about the Technical and Vocational Education and Training in developing countries was written by the TVET consultant in Egypt. He talks about how the TVET is important, especially in developing countries, and how higher education will improve TVET in developing countries. Check these articles out and decide for yourself if these are relevant enough to be added. --CerebralBadger (talk) 04:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Structure of the article
The article has no lead section. With some improvements and some shortening, the current “overview” and “Education system in Egypt” sections (what is the difference between the two section anyway?) could become the lead section. Please see Wikipedia guidelines for lead sections.

A good lead section on this topic should mention that there are both public and private schools and universities, as well as relative enrollment in each type of schools. It should also make reference to educational outcomes.

The section on demographics actually is not about demographics, but about literacy outcomes and about the structure of the school systems. Suggest to eliminate the paragraph and to include the information in it in other relevant sections.

Form
In its current form, the article is too heavily based on World Bank sources. It probably also overstates the importance of the World Bank for the education system in Egypt.

It may be useful to add an infobox with key characteristics and statistics concerning education in Egypt – such as literacy, enrolment ratios, student/teacher ratios, number of schools, number of teachers – and to include infoboxes with the same structure in other articles on education by country to facilitate comparisons.

Don’t use acronyms such as ICT or MDG without a link or an explanation. As always, write for an audience of generalists who may not be familiar with acronyms that you and your group of professional colleagues may use on an everyday basis.

When using percentages, specify of what it is the percentage (e.g. 12.6 percent of what?)

The article needs some copy editing for grammar, style, proper structure and to avoid repetitions

There should be no recommendations in Wikipedia articles (such as the last sentence of overview section), unless it is clearly stated who made the recommendation, including a reference. The article should always have a neutral point of view (NPOV).

When creating links, make sure they are accurate: For example, the link from the article is to Muhammad Ali, the boxer, and not to Muhammad Ali of Egypt.

Using bullet points any time there is an enumeration could make the article more readable.

The dual system and Mubarak Kohl schools need more explanation, possibly through a link to an existing article in the first case - such as Dual education system - and creation of a new separate article in the second.

There World Bank-supported “secondary enhancement project” is mentioned without providing any further details or at least a reference.--Mschiffler (talk) 15:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

"With the help of World Bank and other multilateral organizations Egypt aims to increase access in early childhood to care and education and the inclusion of ICT at all levels of education, especially at the tertiary level." Putting this sort of information in the very beginning of the article looks like a commercial advertising. Amalia 29 November 2011

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International Schools
The statement that the standards of the international schools are lower than those of the public schools is very surprising. I have no expertise on the situation in Egypt, but in most countries schools of this type are comparable to if not better than the best public schools. Unless the international schools in Egypt are unusually poor or the public schools are extraordinarily good, I don't see how this can be the case. There is already a "citation needed" tag on this but I have grave doubts as to whether it is true. If Egyptian universities impose special entrance requirements for graduates of international schools, is it really because they are of low standard overall or is it because of specific defects, e.g. reduced attention to Arabic language and literature?Bill (talk) 03:27, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Congrats
The article in many sections shows extensive efforts. Editorial refinement will come.--Connection (talk) 19:57, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Much of this article reads like propaganda
While the information on the structure of the system seems accurate, lots of this feels like it's trying to convince the reader of how good the government is. Also, there's a weird comment on how parents might not want Al Azhar or Catholic schools for their kids. It's bizarre and a bit judgy. 2601:445:4000:FD7D:2D35:12A7:99E9:8A2A (talk) 07:09, 22 March 2016 (UTC)Kim

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