Talk:Education in New Zealand/Archive 1

Weasel Words
Because I think [this change] might be a bit controversial, I'll post it here. I've just removed the following sentences from the article:
 * This is widely believed to increase student debt, funded by the New Zealand taxpayers. Many sources (including leading financial planners) are suggesting that students maximise their 'free' debt by drawing all they possibly can (course costs, course-related costs and living allowance).

My main problem with this is that it's very, very weasely - 'widely believed' by whom? Who are the 'many sources' and the 'leading financial planners'? If it's attributed it becomes a statement of fact, but at the moment it's POV. If anyone has a problem with this I encourage them to discuss it here, in the talk page. --Dom 12:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Education infobox
I created a template, Template:Education infobox which can give a quick at a glance demographics table for education articles. See its implementation at Education in the United States and feel free to help improve the template.--naryathegreat | (talk) 01:00, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

State schools don't ask for fees!
The current page says:


 * However, most schools also ask for a "donation" from parents and often call this a school fee or a "parental contribution"

Note: however not contributing to this "donation" can be costly for parents especially when schools go to debt collection agencies to get this so call donation.

No state school calls this a fee, or more accurately, no state school is supposed to call this a fee. The following is taken from the April 2004 Supplementary Review Report on Rangitoto College

'Other issues arising during the course of this review

·       Use of the term ‘school fees’. The reference to school fees in the prospectus and other school documents contravenes s3 of the Education Act 1989, which entitles every person who is not a foreign fee-paying student to free enrolment and free education at any state school during the period between their 5th and 19th birthdays. In order to comply with the Act, the board should delete the word “fees” from its prospectus and from other documentation.'

So, I changed this to:


 * However, most schools also ask for a "voluntary donation" from parents, informally known as "school fees" or a "parental contribution".

Perhaps there should also be a link to, but the opening sentence is not really the place to discuss the size of these "donations", nor how "voluntary" they are. Neil Leslie 10:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Standard/Junior/Forms
When was the old system replaced by the new? Could someone add that in to the article? It simply says "recently", and I do not feel that that is precise enough. samwaltz 10:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

IIRC it was introduced around 1998 or so. Though it didn't really reach widespread use until ~5 years later and many places still use "year x (form z)" or "form z (year x)". No refs though - this is just going by memory 150.203.19.142 02:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

And what about the "older" system. Junior 1 and 2 used to be covered by four levels, Primer 1 to Primer 4. Pupils would generally spend two years going through these levels, although I'm not sure what the normal approach was to achieve that. Does anyone know when that change (from Primers to Juniors) was made? Pedrocelli 01:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Any infor ho how School Cert., 6th Form Cert., and Bursary has change with the 'new system'? (please, please tell me they changed the ridicules system used for 6th Form Cert. when they made the change.) --Roguebfl (talk) 17:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I went through Primer 1-4 in 1963/4 I'm pretty sure my brothers did too (would be mid to late 60s) I think the big advantage was that it allowed teachers to adjust kids to their abilities as they arrived at school (I went through all 4 in 18 months, arriving halfway through the first year, my sister in 12 months of one calendar year) - do think the "primer 1/2" in the table is wrong but I'm loathe to just change it without more info — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.255.41.76 (talk) 12:27, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Industry Training Organisations, Apprenticeships and On the Job Training
This article does not cover the role of Industry Training Organisations and Apprenticeships in the education sector. Also not covered is the post-graduation role of Professional Bodies, such as Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers, Accountants, Engineers, etc. have in upskilling recent graduates to be totally work competent through on-the-job training. These organisations are heavily involved in having a say about what tertiary institutions teach and the requsite standards that students need to achieve. The role of workplace training and assessment for the trades and business is also not covered, even though NZQA sets the educational standards in these areas. Education in New Zealand is life long and doesn't stop at the front door of the classroom. -- Cameron Dewe 02:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Types of school
It should probably be mentioned that quite a few primary schools go up to form 2, whatever that's called now. --Helenalex 23:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Its called year 8 (form 2)

School year
What are the dates of the new zealand school year? (for example in the uk the school year runs from early september to mid july with breaks at christmas and easter) Pedgeth (talk) 00:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The New Zealand school year runs from February 7th through to December 19, 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.80.123.38 (talk) 22:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh?
In my school, (which is an area school), middle school goes from Year 7 to Year 9. (And yes, I do live in New Zealand!). Is the article wrong, or is my school the exeption and not the rule? Smartguy777 (talk) 03:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC).
 * Many Auckland school the Intermediate School is part of the Secondary School, Some Wellington school the Intermediate is part of the Primary School. (My younger sister rand into that when we moved when she was in 2nd Form). there are of course Intermedite Schools that are their own school. --Roguebfl (talk) 17:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Kura Kaupapa Māori
There's nothing about these in the article - a bit of an omission, surely, since these are provided for under the Education Act 1989 and there are over 60 of them. Anyway I have started an article Kura Kaupapa Māori Kahuroa (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Bonded Merit Scholarship
The bonded merit scholarship is mentioned in this article as being current, but this was scrapped this year (2009). All current holders of the scholarship retain the scholarship as long as they fulfil the requirements of the scholarship, and will not be bonded after the completion of the scholarship period. Past holders of the scholarship who were still bonded this year are no longer bonded. As well as this, several other restrictions have been relaxed. See Studylink website about the bonded merit scholarship. 118.93.35.27 (talk) 09:17, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Information from Authoritative Sources Needs to be Added
The Ministry of Education website is the authoritative source of information and has a lot of high quality information, both at the high level and at the level of details and statistics. Please incorporate some of that information here. For instance, see these websites:

http://www.minedu.govt.nz/~/media/MinEdu/Files/EducationSectors/InternationalEducation/ForInternationalStudentsAndParents/NZEdSysOverview.pdf

http://www.minedu.govt.nz/NZEducation/EducationPolicies/InternationalEducation/ForInternationalStudentsAndParents/NZEdOverview.aspx

http://www.nzqa.govt.nz/providers-partners/

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.183.247.252 (talk) 01:50, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

State Schools - Course Costs
I have amended the section relating to types of school by funding. This is an area not easily or widely understood by New Zealanders. In NZ a State education is free. That means any donation is voluntary, workbooks which may be written in are textbooks ( and the student may use these as a textbook while writing in their own book ); hard materials used in woodwork, metalwork and art are free unless the student takes the finished article home. With regard school trips, if these are part of the curriculum ( such as Geography field trips and the like ) and the student chooses not to participate in the trip then the course must be altered to provide that student with the same material by alternative means at no cost to the student. No student can be excluded for the inability or unwillingness to pay course costs.

Clarification of these rules is provided by Ministry circular in 1996. Schools rarely bring these provisions to Parents attention - for obvious reasons. If a school does not comply, the Ministry may intervene and compel the school. Parents do regularly enforce their rights in this regard, though the numbers who do are small.


 * All of these kinds of additions require proper sources. Without proper sources the material will be removed. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Proof of the above is contained in a new circular which replaces all previous www.minedu.govt.nz/.../PublicationsAndResources/Circulars/2013/Circular201306.doc Note: NO Payments are Compulsory - except attendance dues charges and for voluntary purchase of goods and services.

''Teachers in all subject areas use various materials to assist them deliver the curriculum. Some schools seek to recover the cost of these by attempting to charge parents for them. Only where there is a very clear take-home component (an item the student or family chooses to buy and take home) would a Board be able to charge for materials. A student is never obliged to buy any item produced at school.''

How are specific areas treated ( page 7-12 )?

Geography and biology field trips - may not be charged for but a donation may be sought. Cannot exclude due to unwillingness to pay. School camps - no charge if part of curriculum; Workbooks - somewhere between text and stationery, not appropriate to expect purchase, if compulsory then donation may be sought.

Māori Language in Education
The Māori Language in Education section seems a little out of place in the context of the article. I originally added a lot of historical background because of the tag that says "This article or section may be slanted towards recent events," but now the historical material looks out of place in the larger context of the section. Should most of it be moved to the History section or even to the other article History of education in New Zealand? Alternatively should the two articles even be merged? Vojen (talk) 19:09, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * To complicate things further, there's Māori language revival, which is related to this stuff and should be at least included as a see also link. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:07, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Probably half of the information in this section(the first half) is historical so should go in the history section as it has some good specific detail. This would reduce the information to contemporary Maori language. I'm in two minds about the relative importance of this section-on the one hand only a tiny percentage of Kiwis speak any Maori but on the other it is an important trend in the last 20 years. The trend has flat lined in the last decade, or maybe even declined, as even kura struggle to find good trained Maori teachers who can teach English, Science, Music and Maths in particular.This is holding back Maori speakers-there are only so many jobs for Maori whose only qualification is the ability to speak Maori and expertise in Maori customs. Some newer Wananga have switched to doing all teaching in English -with huge improvement in NCEA results. They can tap into the stronger skills of Maori teachers who aren't fluent in Te Reo but have degrees in maths or science and they dont exclude the vast majority(90%??) of able Maori students who cant speak fluent Maori.Claudia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.62.226.243 (talk) 22:26, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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Change from Primers, Standards and Forms to Years
When did New Zealand schools start using "Year" to designate academic levels, replacing the system of Primers (or Juniors), Standards and Forms? Did it happen all at once, or did some schools start using it before others? Was the change connected with Tomorrow's Schools? I am aware that Sixth Form Certificate was still used up until 2002, but Sixth Form was called Year 12 for some years before its end. The 1997 PPTA report on the National Qualifications Framework uses Years, so it appears the change happened before 1997. Can anyone narrow it down further?- gadfium 17:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Māori and Pacific Island standards
PISA doesn't seem to easily provide any data sets separated out for race between Māori and non-Māori (in New Zealand), is it global non-Māori being compared rather than just NZ??

we need a better reference than one stuff article, can anyone find the stats Parata based this statement on. Tui Rua (talk) 08:23, 5 September 2019 (UTC)