Talk:Education in Romania/Archive 1

Comparations with the French system
Some comparations with the French system shows that the author is not familiar with it. I removed the phrase: "Unlike the French system, this exam opens little if any doors" because I consider it completely false. It may have been true half a century ago, but not now! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.90.21.11 (talk) 20:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Facultative
In English, "facultative" is a rather obscure word, meaning "pertaining to members of a faculty". In this article, that is clearly not what it means, but what does it mean? -- Jmabel | Talk 04:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * "Not required or compulsory; optional." (dictionary.com) bogdan 13:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Wow, it is there as an alternate definition. Pretty obscure, I promise you; maybe a 19th-century borrowing that didn't really stick? Even the "common" meaning of "facultative" is a obscure. We'd much more likely say "optional" or "elective". I'll edit accordingly. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Ballot
What is meant here by "draw[ing]" a subject "from a ballot"? Not a common English-language expression. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:23, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

It's picking a subject at random, in a lottery style arrangement. --Xanthar 10:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Changed to "at random", which will be clearer. Thanks. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Military Colleges
About the Military Colleges (Colegiu Militar) - errors After you graduate from a Military College you do not have a military rank. You have one during the college but you lose it at graduation. Also the graduation of a Military College doesn't allow you "to enter an Army Academy without passing through basic training before". I don't understant what you mean by "basic training". You have to take several exams in order to enter (like the people that graduated from a "civilian" colleges). So there is no difference between military and civilian colleges on this issue. Maybe is worth mentioning the fact that the proffesors in the military colleges are civilians and that besides 1 hour per week of "Military science" the other classes are similar with the ones in the civ. col.. You can keep the "strict" part. Please correct the errors I mentioned in the article. Ohh ya...i graduated from a military college. Paul I, Cluj


 * "Basic training" is another term for Recruit training. So is the statement about basic training accurate or not? In any case, I suggest that you try editing the article yourself instead of telling someone else that they should, it sounds like you know the edits you want to make. - Jmabel | Talk 00:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Minority languages
Obviously there are schools in Hungarian, but Hebrew? Russian? That sounds a little dubious to me. Biruitorul 20:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC) I think we should mention that there are "classes" or "instruction delivered" for Hebrew or Russian.

DorianS1 13:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Naming and placing section
Instead of "Results" would you agree with "General assessment of the educational system" or "Outcomes" ? Anyway, it would be preferable to place this section either as the first section or as the last one --Vintila Barbu 14:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd say the last one, and I prefer your formulation "General assessment...". You can't put the evaluation before explaining what it is and how it's done, and then evaluations must be put in perspective, which requires space. Dpotop 14:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Some concerns about this article
At second sight, the article is not as bad as it firstly appeared, since it offers a lot of detailed and inside information about the functioning of the Romanian educational system. It is therefore interesting for people not acquainted with this educational system.

However, the text badly needs a cleanup. Being myself far from producing good English, I cannot stop wondering how substandard is this text. Beside language, style should be improved as well. --Vintila Barbu 16:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Be bold! Dpotop 18:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW: the 13th grade exists in evening courses (seral). And maybe in some technic schools, but I'm not quite sure. Dpotop 18:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I totally agree that the style should be drastically improved.

I tried already once. Still the style is shaky. I think I will speak with a friend of mine who is English native.

DorianS1 13:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Some concerns about Higher Education
I inserted a chapter about Higher education. Still need to be improved with more details about a) how many students are registered in universities b) Private vs. public schools c) Graduate programs and research

And, if you have time, visit also History of Romanian education a recently created article. DorianS1 13:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Minimal PIB percent to education?
Isn't there a law prescribing a minimal PIB percentage that should go to education? And isn't this requirement never met (and by far)? Do you know some figures? Dpotop 09:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

4% of the GDP is the minimum according to a 1997 law. The status of the law is not really clear, however, since the 1997 ministry no longer exists (it has been split up with one of the many cabinet reforms). The requirement has been met, at least for 2005, 2006 and 2007, with education getting ~5.2% this year. --Xanthar 23:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source for this data? Dpotop 10:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Question 2: Is school compulsory until 16 years old, or until the 8th grade?
Is school compulsory until 16 years old, or until the 8th grade? It's not the same, even though most people manage to do it. Dpotop 14:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

In Romania, starting 2003/2004, school is compulsory until the 10th grade. It's usually age 16. --Xanthar 23:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

PUBLIC SCHOOLS?? Not in Romania.
89.136.38.84 20:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)RE: "Public kindergarten is free, private kindergartens are quite expensive for average families." "Most elementary schools are public."

The schools in Romania are not "public" schools. They are "State" schools. There is a huge difference. It would be a great improvement if they were to become public schools.89.136.38.84 20:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Ursu D.

Schools in Romania are public, in the sense that they belong to the state or to an agency of the state and they are publicly funded (aka from the public budget). This is the commonly accepted meaning of public school, with the sole exception of England and Wales. The meaning of "public school" used here is the one generally used outside England and Wales - and the context should make this clear (particularly the usage of the term "private school"). In that respect I clearly do not understand what differences you are pointing out to, nor do I understand what the said transformation would require. By the way, if you intend to continue contributing, please register. Thank you! --Xanthar 18:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 16:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Romanian educational system → Education in Romania – Standard article naming like all other articles (e.g. those on Template:Education in Europe). SPQRobin (talk) 18:57, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Bacalaureat score counting for nothing
The last paragraph of the bacalaureat section needs to be redone. The bribery part is speculative, and while it might be true it does not live up to Wikipedia standards, and the importance of the score is also baseless, or at the very least variable. The Academy for Economic Studies, the Faculty of Statistics, Cybernetics and Economic Informatics in particular has had years with no entry exams, where the high school and bacalaureat score mattered a lot. CSIE is not an undesired departments of a small, backwater university, as much as I personally came to dislike it myself. --MaxRavenclaw (talk) 09:34, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

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Compulsory education
This section had a bit of unnecessary repition that I noticed in the first few sentences:

"Throughout the 20th century, compulsory education has oscillated between 4 years, 7 years, again 4 years, 7 years, 8 years, 10 years, and again 8 years. In the 21st century, it was raised to 10 years and then to 11 years."

With the section on the lesser years repeated, but in detail:

"Originally, the communist regime lowered compulsory education to 4 years, but with a strong enforcement.[9] Next they increased it gradually to 7, 8 and ultimately 10 years."

I suggest removing the first few sentences altogether since the information will be provided in better context in the following sentences.(Maria tudora (talk) 02:31, 8 September 2018 (UTC))
 * Removed. Lorstaking (talk) 04:19, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I wonder
I wonder 84.209.164.132 (talk) 21:41, 16 February 2022 (UTC)