Talk:Education in the Republic of Ireland/Archive 1

Sectioning
The section headings on this page are nice and clear, reasonably structured too, but it seems quite fragmented. There's only a few lines between (sub)headings. What's the best way to fix this - it might be messy to try gumming sections together.


 * good question!, many of the Education by country topics are fragmented and just a list of incoherent, incompete ideas often just a mantra of school years/grades. Perhaps the topic should be a kind of narrative, leading off to distinct topics as neccessary whilst still been a coherent, singular document which gives the reader a broad overview of the system and its distinctiveness - any ideas? Djegan


 * I've removed subheadings for each type of primary school and each level of secondary school. The headings were immediately repeated in the first words of each section. It broke up things much too much. There's still blank lines, and I've indented these rather short sections to show the 'list' nature of the topics, with the general heading and paragraph thus clearly 'owning' the lists.


 * It's an experiment - I think it looks better - two/three lines is too little for even a subheading. Do feel free to change it back though, or try something different.


 * Zoney 00:37, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The figures listed in the box at the top-right of the page of the number attending primary and second level schools are wrong. I don't seem to be able to change the info. in this box. Here are the most recent figures from the Dept. of Education. Could somebody update them please? : http://www.education.ie/en/Publications/Statistics/Key-Statistics/Key-Statistics-2014-2015.pdf

Darren J. Prior (talk) 06:10, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Secondary Schools
Does any one know the difference between a Community School and Comprehensive School apart from the community element, i don't? Is it worth commenting on or a redirect?


 * Djegan 20:03, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Transition Year
Is it just me or does there seem to be a greater number of schools starting the Leaving cert programme in transition year, giving the students a years head start in important subjects like maths and english. Where as schools that run excellent transition year programmes (going by the rules) the pupils loose out to other schools that run, practically a 3 year Leaving Cert. Ablaze 15:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Template:Education infobox
I created a template, Template:Education infobox which can give a quick at a glance demographics table for education articles. See its implementation at Education in the United States and feel free to help improve the template.--naryathegreat | (talk) 01:00, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Politics of Education
How about a section on the debate over denominational education? Autarch 18:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Pontifical University of Maynooth
Surely the point that the "laws of Ireland" don't recognise degrees from the Pontifical University Maynooth is incorrect? It was a recognised college of the NUI and became a degree awarding body under the 1997 act, in its own right. Is this wrong? In any event there is no way that its "recognised" status would have been derogated by the inacting of the 1997 act. Could somebody clarify?


 * The St Patrick's College, Maynooth article should clarify, in summary two universities have awarded degrees at the college; the National University of Ireland, and its predicessors, (arts and science degrees) and the Pontifical Univerisity (canon law, philosophy and theology degrees). Djegan 19:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

request for added topic
In the history section, could someone please add a description of official government policy of not charging students who took third-level courses in Irish? I don't actually know if there was such a policy but having heard about it from Irish people whom I met years ago, I came to this page to see if there was any information. It's an interesting topic, pertinent to govenrnmnent policies promoting preservation of indigenous languages, ways for third-level students to get out of paying fees, and the current status of Irish in everyday life. I would like to know: did such a policy exist? for how long? how successful was (is?) it? who was (is?) eligible to take classes in Irish? how was it implemented? Dveej 17:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry: I meant to separate the list of my last few questions with commas, but they did not appear for some reason. Dveej 17:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Gaelscoileanna
St. Enda's School (Scoil Éanna) in Ranelagh, County Dublin, was the first bilingual Gaelic-English school in Ireland and was founded by Pádraig Pearse in 1908.

"Gaelscoileanna are a very recent innovation, started only late in the last century. The Irish language is the working language in these schools. They are particularly en vogue in non-Irish speaking areas"

Surely Irish speaking schools in An Gaeltacht can be considrerd Gaelscoileanna? They have been around much longer than the latter part of the 20th century.


 * My own opinion is that a "Gaelscoileanna" is as much an idea as it is a type of school; many of them function under different structures to other schools. The terms does not appear prior to 1979 in the Oireachtas debates, "all-Irish school" appears to been the vogue term previous to this. Djegan 18:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Still this part of the entry feels subtly pejorative. The phrase “in vogue” seems to refer to something frivolous and as pointed out, these schools by definition are in non-Irish speaking areas since Irish-speaking areas have a separate system of all-Irish schools.  Maybe it wasn’t intended that way by the author, but that’s how it reads to an outsider who stumbled on the entry, and given how controversial minority-language education can be, globally, it might be worth rewording it. With respect 194.35.219.100 16:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)Tim


 * Hopefully it reads better now. Bastun 17:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

mission +vission
i want to know the mission, vission, objectives,and philosophy of ireland education Bold text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.81.179.196 (talk) 03:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Merger
This is the exact same article as Education_in_Ireland, and as a result, I think that they should be they should be merged.--Heggy 23:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Education_in_Ireland is a redirect to Education in the Republic of Ireland? Djegan 23:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It's been fixed now.--Heggy 20:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

university status
Seven universities in Ireland are recognised by statute (DCU, TCD, UL and the 4 NUI universities NUIM, NUIG, UCD, UCC).

Are these institutions fradulent or illegal?:

"Free university of Ireland"
 * http://www.saor-ollscoil.ie/

"Irish International University"
 * http://www.iiuedu.ie/
 * http://educationmalaysia.blogspot.com/2006/07/irish-international-university-again.html
 * http://www.internationaleducationmedia.com/ireland/irish_international_university.htm

"Glencullen University"
 * http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/552/
 * http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/web-focus/events/workshops/webmaster-2002/materials/work/slides/Glencullen%20University2_files/intern.html

"Dublin Metropolitan University"
 * http://www.dmuedu.org/

"Swiss-Irish Tourism Management University"
 * http://www.sitmu.com/


 * The only information on wikipedia pertaining to them is in this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unaccredited_institutions_of_higher_learning#Ireland


 * I can't say whether they're fraudulent or illegal. What I would say is that they appear to be unaccredited. Some of them admit to this on their websites. I've drawn my own conclusions on a Dublin uni with an address in London... Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 12:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is what the Universities Act 1997 has to say:

"52. Educational institution not to be described as university.
 * (1) Except in relation to an educational institution or facility established and described as such before the 30th day of July, 1996, (in which case it may continue to be so described), a person shall not, without the approval of the Minister, use the word "university" to describe an educational establishment or facility.


 * (2) The Minister may apply to the High Court for an injunction to restrain any person from using the word "university" in contravention of subsection (1)."


 * But I suspect that the situation would be more complex than this, and would warrant furthur research. The term "the Minister" means the Minister for Education and Science. None of the above institutions, except those seven created specifically by Act of the Oireachtas or Royal Charter, would be considered bona-fide universities. Basically if it does not offer course thru the Central Applications Office (CAO) then be weary, the Department of Education and Science should have a list of courses in Ireland that would be considered of good standing, these were available on its website which appears to be inoperative at the moment. Djegan 13:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The "Free university of Ireland" (http://www.saor-ollscoil.ie/) is based in Ireland but seems to have got around the legislation by being established before 30th day of July, 1996. It still looks like an unaccredited degree mill.

While Gaelteacht areas have always had Irish language National and Secondary schools,
Surely this is not the case!Eog1916 (talk) 12:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Further education
I have added a very brief mention to the article on further education that there are FE colleges in the Republic of Ireland. If someone was able to add detail it would be very much appreciated. Also, you might like to have a list of colleges, in parallel to the List of further education colleges in England. Itsmejudith (talk) 10:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Created the list List of further education colleges in the Republic of Ireland, will be adding some more data from QualifaX over the next few days, and I'll have a look at the further education article to see what can be added for ireland. Thanks, TTGL | Talk to me! 20:25, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Higher education
In the section on higher education there is a part that needs clarification. I followed the link and found where the 0.747 is gotten from:
 * http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_uni_top_500-education-universities-top-500

If you check that link you see that it gives Ireland as having three Universities in the top 500. Divide this figure by 0.747 and on gets 4.016 the approximate population of Ireland in millions of people. This is seen again if one looks at the link given in the article, looking at the definition:
 * http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_uni_top_500_percap-universities-top-500-per-capita#definition

which it gives as Number of universities in the top 500 Per capita figures expressed per 1 million population. I don't think that the comment it selve meshes well within the article since were one to clarify the statement one would conclude that Ireland had 3 Universities in the top 500 but then in the next line one says that Ireland has 6 institutions in the top 500.

NationMaster.com is using Shanghai Jiao Tong University's top 500 rather than the Times Higher Education Supplement's top 500. So the 0.747 etc. comment does not fit well with the rest of the paragraph, unless one were to go into the whole thing about the different top 500 lists that exist out there.

I would recommend to remove the 0.747 comment the whole 8th in the world by such and such per capita. Any takers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.131.74 (talk) 22:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Additional marks through Irish
The sentence Students who decide to sit their Leaving Certificate exams through Irish, will get an additional 11%.[citation needed] This recent article puts it at 3-10% on a sliding scale. Does anyone have a source, preferably a Department of Education one on the matter? Autarch (talk) 21:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

That sentence is unclear to me. They will get an additional 11% of what? There is nothing in the passage to indicate what the percentage refers to. Also, the terms "school leavers" (which I assume, from the context, is synonymous with "graduates"), and "modularization" need to be either explained or eliminated. --24.161.229.26 (talk) 14:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

National Framework of Qualifications
It might be interesting to mention the National Framework of Qualifications on this page, as well as inserting this picture http://www.nfq.ie/nfq/en/images/FanDec2006.jpg to illustrate the different awards available in the Irish education system Jules.LT (talk) 15:21, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Ages of pupils in the different years?
How old are the pupils in each of the years listed? I'd put this in myself but I'm not sure what the ages are. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 06:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Religious aspect in secondary schools
I heard on the radio that the Catholic Church controls most or all secondary schools, in addition to primary schools; is that right? -- Beland (talk) 15:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

infobox
could someone please fill in the relivant information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.12.218 (talk) 18:40, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

List of legislation?
It would be very helpful if, somewhere in this article, there were a list of all the relevant statutes which underpin education policy in Ireland. 213.94.216.10 (talk) 14:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Number of school days per year?
How long is the school year, at post-primary and primary level? During the bad weather the government was saying the schools must "make up the lost days" but how many days a year must schools at each of those levels be open?86.45.50.50 (talk) 10:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * See this link. RashersTierney (talk) 14:29, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

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Can we remove the notice to expand 'Areas of Disadvantage'? I added in a bit of information and I'm genuinely interested to hear if the community thinks more information is necessary, and how much is desirable. Crown 443 (talk) 09:27, 16 October 2018 (UTC)