Talk:Education in the United States/Archive 2012

Where the Hell's the criticism?
Well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.100.160.212 (talk) 01:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, there is no section for the enormous amount of Controversey the educational system gets, sounds kinda one-sided, making it seem like the perfect system, which it isnt.....--24.224.25.70 (talk) 02:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree to this too. In the entire article there is no criticism against the education system and nothing to show the community that it is not perfect. In fact, it has a lot of problems like: 1.Problem with homework:Type of homework assigned these days require no real thought and just some busy intellectual work. 2.Problems with teaching style:No effort being taken in classrooms to build a persons overall personality but instead just stuffing students with facts and figures. 3.Sudden level bump in High school to college:The education system takes very easy in middle school and early years of high school. When students go to college, it gets too hard for them and hence resulting in high drop out rates in United States colleges. There are many more issues regarding the grade system and other problems. All this needs to be taken into consideration and added to this article so people realize that the U.S.education system is far from perfect as it is shown in the article.Mr.Whizy (talk) 02:02, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

The "criticism" that's here already is pretty dubious. Section 8.3 is poorly written at best, and ideologically suspect at worst. Citing such luminaries as "A College Professor" to explain why fewer Americans need higher education is insufficient. Even if you accept that the current job market doesn't have enough job opportunities for graduates, why is that a criticism of higher education costs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhess126 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

School Grades
I assume you're aware that the image showing 'Education in the United States' is currently covering the table showing similar data, yet in a more understandable way.

Can someone do something about this? --Rockreader-- You REALLY CAN talk to me!  WOW!   19:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Either the table should be completely removed or fix the distracting omission of 6th grade from the table Hsshah (talk) 09:01, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Student health section?
A one-sentence section about childhood obesity is really out of place in this article. I couldn't find any other articles about "Education in [whatever country]" that had anything similar. Can this be deleted? Skvader (talk) 03:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Education consists, not only reading, writing and arithmetic, but was (at least once) in the United States, considered to have been the education of the whole person. My parents generation did not get dental care, for example. My generation was told, in school (even parochial school), to see a dentist twice a year, which many of us did. Unlike my parents, I still have all my teeth in old age. We were given eye examinations. It turns out that the deficiencies of the prior generation was partly due to students not being able to read what the teacher had written on the board. Sometimes hearing was tested.


 * Schools used to have a physical education segment and unsupervised play during recess and after lunch. I guess this has disappeared. But the obesity of children leading to Diabetes II is a concern for the United States particularly, the fattest nation in the world. There are also other problems, including poor self-image, that leads from those statistics. The fact that other articles don't have such an item, perhaps means that they do not have a problem. Probably Asian countries do not have one at all. In Africa, they are happy to obtain sufficient food. So other articles may not be the best example for eliminating the potential discussion of health issues in this article.


 * Most American schools feed some of their children lunches who cannot afford them, ensuring that they get one meal a day, at least. Are they fed "correctly?" One wonders.


 * Also, the United States is supposedly a bottom-up country, delegating responsibility to higher level government and supposedly having control over their local school system. In other countries, they don't have and have never had that assumption. Rule has always been from the top-down. So the article should be structured differently, at least historically, for that reason alone IMO.


 * The article doesn't go as far as I have, so those who take everything literally will look in vain for these remarks in the article which don't have a citation yet. Student7 (talk) 12:49, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Having said all that, perhaps "Health and safety" should be split ("and" titles not a good idea anyway), and the health issues merged together? Student7 (talk) 12:55, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

What about AP or IB credits?
I'm not sure which section this belongs in--probably near the high school portion, but there should be something or the other about AP exams and IB exams because they too, are standardized examinations which many people take, in addition to SAT's and ACT's and PSAT's. They are sort of a bridge that assist with the cost of college by allowing the student to potentially "clep out" of some coursework. 192.33.240.95 (talk) 19:06, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Mathematics teaching
I came across Call for Action while exploring the web, it’s from the Mathematical Association of America and to me at least that looks like a reliable source. I’m from the UK but I’m still concerned if Americans don’t understand maths properly. Americans please check if the source is as good as it looks, if it is constructive criticism may help improve things. Proxima Centauri (talk) 10:06, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The citation seemed less than authoritative. Anecdotal, actually. Since Americans spend more than anyone else on education, we have a horribly expensive, system. Could the teaching of mathematics be improved? Probably. Do teachers want to be paid more? Yes. The article seemed to support the latter more. Student7 (talk) 00:08, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Number of teachers
A figure of 2.7 million teachers was cited in http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/10/01/first-grade-teacher-deanna-jump-earns-1-million-selling-lesson/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D213511. Our article has about 3.8 million or so. Any ideas on discrepancy? Student7 (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

yelovdvdmwar?
"Children are assigned into yelovdvdmwar groups known as grades" What is that supposed to say? --Rgb1110 (talk) 09:37, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Some vandal did this. Didn't bother to trace when, but replaced it with "year." Student7 (talk) 13:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Rural
Recently an editor mentioned rural schools and performance. Several things need to be mentioned someplace.

1) There may only be 12 students for a class, but it still needs one English teacher. This sort of thing raises the price on rural schools dramatically and makes them less efficient. A mostly rural state like Vermont has horrible per pupil costs as a result.

2) On the flip side, the smaller number of pupils may help a class progress faster, but I haven't seen any real research on that aspect. Student7 (talk) 22:27, 7 December 2012 (UTC)