Talk:Edward Clark Carter

I have removed the link. The linked page "The Life and Times of Chen Hansheng (1897-2004)" does not actually support the spy charge. It is not an academic paper, but a research summary. Further, we have a page on Chen Han-seng, and his activities are properly discussed there. It is not denied that he knew Richard Sorge. Charles Matthews 09:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

The point is not that he knew him, but that he was a member of his spy ring. See Maochen Yu ref. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark LaRochelle (talk • contribs) 09:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I don't see why you have unlinked Chen Han-seng. We have an article on him, and this discussion should be carried out in relation with what Wikipedia writes about him, there. Secondly, you have added more references, but I'm not quite clear about what they are supposed to prove. Are you claiming that Chen was in Tokyo? The first one makes some point about Agnes Smedley. Chen is supposed to have quit contact with Sorge in 1935? To have left Shanghai for Moscow, as the piece from The Guardian implies? All this is very remote from the topic of this article. Also, adding the word 'legendary' to Sorge doesn't help matters at all. Charles Matthews 10:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Good points. The unlinking was accidental, now corrected. I'm trying to accomodate you here. The relevant quote from Yu is now included in the text ("become a member of the

well-known Richard Sorge Spy Ring"). Not sure why you think the fact that Lattimore is congratulating Carter for handing over the inquiry to this particular Soviet agent is irrelevant to the accusations of pro-Soviet bias on the part of Carter. That Chen fled Tokyo for Moscow in '35 hardly seems to make him a non-entity in all this. Again from Yu:


 * "After Chen fled from Tokyo to Moscow in 1935 to prevent the Sorge Ring’s operations from exposure, Owen Lattimore, then the editor of the New York-based journal Pacific Affairs, the mouthpiece of the Institute of Pacific Relations (IPR), asked the Soviet Union, a member nation of IPR, for an assistant (p.63). In 1936, Moscow recommended Chen Hansheng to Lattimore, who readily accepted the nomination. Chen then went to New York, this time under the direct control of Kang Sheng, who was also in Moscow, to work with Lattimore from 1936 until 1939, when Chen was reassigned by Kang Sheng to a Hong Kong-based operation."Mark LaRochelle 10:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Use of Raw FBI Files?
It seems to me that use of material directly from FBI files without consulting the published works in the area is original research.

Would anyone object if I went through the article, retained but edited the allegations into a separate paragraph, and added more about Carter's earlier life and work? ch (talk) 06:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Suggested modifcations from Paul Hooper
As noted in my earlier submission regarding Wikipedia’s Institute of Pacific Relations (IPR) article, I am reluctant to alter another person’s work and prefer instead to offer suggestions and comments through the “Talk” section which readers can use as they see fit.

Paul Hooper University of Hawaii

Suggested clarifications to the Edward Clark Carter article:

Several details in the bio-sketch need clarification: from 1926 to 1933 Carter was Secretary of the American Council of the IPR, from 1933 to 1946 he was Secretary General of the international IPR and from 1946 to 1948 he was Executive Vice Chairman of the American Council. Further, in addition to the listed awards, it might be noted that he was also honored by the Chinese Nationalist (KMT) government, something that tends to confound the fellow traveler charges so often made against him. See Paul F. Hooper, ed., Remembering the Institute of Pacific Relations: The Memoirs of William L. Holland (Tokyo: Ryukei Shyosha, 1995), p. 147.

Comments:

This article presents a rather sensationalist and thus distorted portrayal of Carter. By focusing almost solely upon his well-known sympathies for leftist causes--especially those involving the Soviet Union--and the related McCarthy era allegations, it implies that these causes were his principal concern. This oversimplified characterization pays no heed to the fact that his views were not substantially different from those of many other respected individuals in the internationalist and academic circles of the 1920s, 30s and earlier 40s. Further, the article does not address the fuller array of his activities during this period (internationalist fund-raising, promotion of international research and public awareness, establishment of important private diplomatic connections, exciting public enthusiasm for international issues, etc.) and thus fails to capture much if any of his multi-dimensional character. Finally, the article makes no mention of the fact that all of the cited allegations were in fact just allegations--none led to a formal charge, much less a conviction, and his name never appeared on any of the more worrisome lists of the era such as the Venona transcriptions.

While no balanced assessment of Carter’s career would generally deny the information in this article or claim that all IPR participants were entirely free of questionable activities, neither would it agree that this article fairly summarizes Carter’s activities or that it leaves an accurate impression of the Institute. A more balanced view requires a broader perspective and the use of a wider array of sources, such as found in Wikipedia’s IPR article and the related “Talk” comments. While there is no proper biography of Carter, Holland’s segment about him in his Memoirs (pp. 141-51) is a useful starting point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.171.223.99 (talk) 21:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

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