Talk:Edward Cronjager/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Johanna (talk · contribs) 02:07, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Third on my "to review" list. Johanna (talk to me!) 02:07, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * Put birth and death date in the lead per other articles.
 * I would split the lead paragraph into two.
 * No need for the "(director of photography)" parenthetical
 * "his efforts were rewarded with..." how about "his work received..." It's more neutral, IMO.
 * Use another adjective than "tight" relationship as it is very informal
 * "Throughout his career, Cronjager..." May I suggest a rephrasing for this sentence? "Cronjager pioneered several new techniques and types of cinematography, developing new camera angles in the 1920s, working on one of the earliest film noirs in the 1940s, and using Cinemascope in underwater photography."
 * I think you have too many non-free files. Perhaps File:Edward Cronjager.1926.jpg can be kept as it illustrates his use of the cameras at the time. However, File:KingVidorEdwardCronjager1932.jpg does not add much to the first image. I would just keep one of them. For the primary means of visual identification, however, I would replace your current file up top with a cropped version of File:Moran of the Marines (1928) 1.jpg that just shows Cronjager. It shouldn't be too hard and will appear well.
 * ✅ - except for the images. All but the infobox are free images. I have to update the license information, but they were all taken from the Media History Project, where all the images are public domain. I'll have the licenses fixed in the next few days. It's a shame about the infobox picture, it's perfect. But I'll look for a free image (there are some issues of American Cinematographer which might hold something.


 * Will work on the rest of your suggestions during the rest of the week. Thanks.  Onel 5969  TT me 03:40, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Early life
 * Unless you strongly disagree, I would link works/publications when possible in references.
 * Not sure exactly what you mean here. Do you mean like what I did on reference #3?


 * Career
 * Some of your paragraphs here are bordering on the long side, which can make readers want to skip the ends of paragraphs. Particularly, I am talking about what are currently your first, second, and fifth paragraphs.
 * "ripe old age of" I'm not sure where this phrasing came from, but please remove "ripe old"
 * "1927 was also the year in which..." I would rephrase that to be more active: "In addition, Cronjager joined the ... in 1927."
 * Lauded by whom for Warming Up?
 * Also, italics around that film title.
 * I would just copyedit the rest of that paragraph for clarity. It's a little bit shaky right now.
 * Could you split this section up into subsections?
 * "The individual results were very high quality..." This sentence confuses me in context. Be sure to be specific and speak in a historical tone.
 * "Cronjager's work was called excellent..." specify by whom?
 * Link to Arthur Charles Miller.
 * I don't think you can leave something full-time. :)
 * "Two of the films he shot at Fox" rephrase beginning of this sentence.
 * Remove the "yet" from "yet another"


 * ✅  Onel 5969  TT me 20:21, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Personal life and death
 * Being married for two years seems to be a pretty short time to me. Can you specify what these "modern sources" were and what length of time they presented?
 * You're right, that was confusing, and to be honest with you, I wrote it so long ago, I'm not even sure what I was referring to. It has no probative value to the article, so I've simply removed it.  Onel 5969  TT me 20:33, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

That's all I have! This article appears to be solid, but it does need some work on the prose. If I were you, I would go through the prose, even the parts I didn't mention, as it could all use a copyedit. I have problems with this as well when I am rapidly writing through sources without editing as I go. Also, the images need to be addressed. On Hold for now. Johanna (talk to me!) 02:03, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi - I will work on the images over the next few days (see my comment in the beginning part of your review). I've done some light c/e as I broke up the sections and worked on your other comments, but will go through the entire article one more time. Will let you know when it is ready for another looksee (hopefully by Saturday). Thanks for your comments.  Onel 5969  TT me 20:33, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, - Finished with the c/e, incorporating your recommended changes, and fixed the photos. Hope this meets your standards now.  Onel 5969  TT me 20:12, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Wonderful! Pass. Johanna (talk to me!) 02:18, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Parentage of Edward Cronjager
The parentage of Henry Cronjager given here may be incorrect. Charles (George) Cronjager is listed as Edward's next of kin in a WWII enlistment card. In the 1905 New York Census, (Edward) Julius Cronjager is placed in the household of Charles Cronjager at an estimated age of 2 years. At this time, the future wife of Henry Cronjager, Mathilde Elisabeth Bayr, lived with her siblings in the household of her deceased father Gustav Bayr. The marriage was not concluded until 1911. None of the countless certificates on MyHeritage or Ancestry prove descent from Henry Cronjager. Edward Cronjager's birth certificate is not stored at the mentioned genealogy portals. As long as this cannot be shown, Charles George Cronjaeger with his wife Mary Keeney must be considered as parents. Medigenealist (talk) 17:01, 12 January 2023 (UTC)