Talk:Edward Graham Paley/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 10:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I currently live in Lancaster and previously lived just outside Barrow-in-Furness, so a lot of local interest for me. Just claiming this one now; I will find some time for the review in the next couple of days. J Milburn (talk) 10:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Got some time now! Finished something quicker than anticipated...
 * Sorry if I'm touching a nerve here, but any chance of an infobox? If you have a particular distaste for them, I'm happy to go on without one.
 * No nerve. My copyeditor is ambivalent, mainly against; I am ambivalent, mainly for.  So I've added one. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "house for Ramsden, Abbot's Wood (1857–59, since demolished)." I wonder if there's much literature on this? Is it perhaps worth a redlink?
 * It was a very notable house, and there is enough in Brandwood and Pevsner for at least a stub, so I've added a redlink for now. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Paley's first station for the railway was Strand station in Barrow" That station's no longer in use. Worth mentioning?
 * Fixed. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The picture of St. George's is perhaps a little ill-placed, as it is discussed in the previous section.
 * I tried moving it, but it rather messed up the lay-out, so I left it where it is. IMO as one of his most important churches, it's worth a picture.  Can you live with its being "near enough" to the text? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * What is meant by a "muscularity"?
 * Not for me to say. As you see it is used in a quote, so I've added a few words to emphasise this. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Although Paley had occasionally used Perpendicular features in his churches, these were used much more frequently, so much so that the practice is credited with playing a part in what Brandwood et al. term the "Perpendicular revival in the North",[14] and even with playing a "nationally pioneering role" in the "rehabilitation of the Perpendicular style as an acceptable stylistic choice".[15]" Is this worth mentioning in the lead?
 * Given this much thought. Although Paley used the style in a few cases towards the period he was sole principal, it really took off after the arrival of Austin, and I suspect it was due mainly to the influence of the latter.  So I think it is better left out of the lead, to avoid criticism and/or confusion.  --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Lancaster Waggon and Carriage Works" Are you certain of that name? In any case, we have an article at Lancaster Carriage and Wagon Works- worth a link?
 * "Waggon" seems to be an archaic spelling, later changed to "Wagon"; both appear in the sources. So I have re-worded the passage, using the former spelling for the name of the company, and the latter for the works.  Is that OK?  And I've linked the latter - should know better as a I wrote the article! --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Does "Neoclassical" need a capital N?
 * Yes, for consistency with other architectural styles, such as Gothic, Tudor. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Category:Deaths from typhoid fever?
 * Added. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * File:Edward Paley.jpg lacks an original publication date, meaning the pre-1923 thing doesn't hold up that well. Also, no tag is provided explaining its PD status in the UK. I've no doubt that it is PD, both in the UK and US, but some changes would be helpful.
 * I've added a PD tag to the page on Commons to cover this. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

An excellent article, very interesting to me as a local. I'll have a quick browse to see if there are any sources you have obviously missed, but I imagine I'll be happy to promote once you've dealt with my comments above. J Milburn (talk) 11:42, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for a helpful review. I've answered the points raised, I hope to your satisfaction.  --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * All seems very reasonable. I've added another category, and I'm promoting now. Great work! J Milburn (talk) 12:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. And there's now an article on Abbot's Wood. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:44, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That area's still called Abbot's Wood, if you've not visited- it's very nice. If I end up there in the next few months, which I may, I'll be sure to take some pictures of the surviving buildings for the article. J Milburn (talk) 15:56, 6 July 2013 (UTC)