Talk:Edward Short, Baron Glenamara

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Is Short the oldest living cabinet minister of the 1974-9 Labour government? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dovea (talk • contribs) 17:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It looks like he is. The closest contender is Michael Foot (born 23 July 1913). James Callaghan held this distinction until his death last year.  J Rawle  (Talk) 19:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Title of article
As he is clearly the better known Edward Short we do not need the title as disambiguator, see WP:NCROY. I think he was often known as Ted Short, should this be the title? It's a moot point if we need the disambiguation page or if this could be dealt with by hatnotes. PatGallacher (talk) 13:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Was it Ted Short who at one time said that his vision was the day coming when even the girls behind the counters in Woolworths had degrees - a sort of metaphorical reference to education standards rising? But that when, later, unemployed graduates had to take jobs like that because they couldn't find anything better, the conservatives made a joke on his remarks. (82.29.215.250 20:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC))


 * He's been known as Lord Glenamara for a very long time now, so I'm not sure it's appropriate to change this. I know a redirect would be in place, but still I think it helps search engine ranking etc. if it's in the page title.


 * There are two alternatives on the disambiguation page, one of which is for mis-spellings. Incidentally, the dab page doesn't quite meet the guidelines, which say that this is one instance when you should link to a redirect (when the primary topic is a redirect as in this case).  J Rawle  (Talk) 16:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Edward Short, Baron Glenamara → — He is already the primary meaning of "Edward Short". As he only received the title after he retired from front-line politics it would not be appropriate to include it, see WP:NCROY and Talk:Catherine Ashton. The lenght of his retirement is irrelevant. PatGallacher (talk) 00:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose: I don't believe Lord Glenamara is "primarily" known by his former name as he was active in politics in the Lords for a long time, and is widely known as Lord Glenamara in his other roles, such as at the university (where there is even a building named after him, Glenamara House). Catherine Ashton is a very poor example to choose as she was previously only known for being the the House of Lords, but has since moved to the European Commission where she does not use her title. Her case is an exception, not the rule.  J Rawle  (Talk) 09:11, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * He's almost never called "Baron Glenamara", and is much more frequently called Edward Short than Lord Glenamara. I support the move. Fences  &amp;  Windows  20:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

"refused to resign"
I took this bit out pending confirmation with a source. If true, the circumstances of his resignation from the deputy leadership of the party sound interesting and should be expanded for the benefit of the reader. If not true, obviously this is a biography and so that's not ok.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 07:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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Wrong picture? George Thomas?
That picture looks remarkably like Short's colleague George Thomas (Viscount Tonypandy), Welsh Secretary and later Commons speaker. WorkingtonMan (talk) 08:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * - I see what you mean! It looks very like George Thomas. The picture comes from the National Portrait Gallery, they have two pictures of Short at this page, and it looks nothing like the other. DuncanHill (talk) 11:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have removed the picture for the time being. DuncanHill (talk) 12:08, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Update - I contacted the National Portrait Gallery, and they have corrected their error. DuncanHill (talk) 23:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, DuncanHill. Thought it looked wrong. WorkingtonMan (talk) 13:57, 29 January 2020 (UTC)