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Hi I'm Yeena, a student looking into editing this page on Edwin Chadwick for a class on the history of modern medicine. I specifically want to expand upon Chadwick's role as a reformer in the 19th century, and his long lasting impacts on public health. I will mainly be focusing on Chadwick's life from the point in which he entered politics, and outline the various projects he took on within his 22 years of political activity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yyoon18 (talk • contribs) 23:30, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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It would seem that this entry has been compiled largely by folk who have normalised the terms employed to make sense to readers in the US - and the "deprecated" passage of talk left available for posterity is clearly of US authorship. Posterity is international, of course, but the word "attorney" differs in significance, depending on which side of the Atlantic you are. Did Chadwick apprentice himself to a solicitor in 1818? The Inner Temple isn't exactly a "Law School" in the US sense- the only thing its junior members are obliged to do in statu pupillare is to DINE.

More importantly, the most quoted source appears to be a treatise on engineering, a profession to which Chadwick didn't belong, which matters because his reputation is that of a "follower of the science". But research (see Mark Blaug, Journal of Economic History 1964 who concludes "Their minds were made up, and where they did not ignore the findings they twisted them to suit their preconceived opinions") has shown that as secretary of the Royal Commission on the Poor Laws (and later member) he seems not even to have read most, if not all, the written submissions of evidence presented to it, which is not what Utilitarians were supposed to be doing, (especially when they go on to claim that it is the basis of legislation they propose) and though he DID base his sanitary report on submitted evidence, (to great effect), he wrote it as a lawyer presenting a case. With the Poor Law, another historian, Peter Dunkley (1981) suggests that the Whig landowners who launched Poor Law reform, one of whom was Lord Althorp, were attempting to force agricultural labourers on below subsistence earnings to conform with the demands of the rural market economy from which landowners were benefitting enormously, and that Chadwick and Senior's notions provided them with a very convenient solution. In Dunkley's last sentence he pays tribute to them for establishing a new concept of "discipline" in nineteenth century society. (Both Blaug and Dunckley were writing in the first place for US universities) . Perhaps Wikipedia has a UK bot which might take care of these sorts of communication difficulty?Delahays (talk) 15:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)Delahays (talk) 17:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)