Talk:Edwina Mountbatten, Countess Mountbatten of Burma/Archive 1

Category addition
Vulturell, you added this page to a British Jews category. Could you say what your source for that is please? SlimVirgin (talk) 22:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

"The collection was built up by the financier Ernest Cassel, who was born into a poor Jewish family in Germany in 1852, arrived in Liverpool in 1869 with a violin and a small bundle of clothes, and by the time of his death in 1921 was one of the richest men in Europe.

He was a friend and adviser to the Prince of Wales, later Edward VII, and was such a regular visitor to royal homes that he was nicknamed "Windsor Cassel". A large part of his collection was inherited by his granddaughter, Edwina Mountbatten, and has remained in the family since. " www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1529054,00.html?gusrc=rss Vulturell 22:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

And "Lastly, note that there were a number of European Jews who lived, or settled in India. Some examples: Lady Mountbatten, and Haffkine, after whom the famous Haffkine Institute in Bombay (Mumbai) has been named. The mother of one of India's most glamorous film actresses, Zeenat Aman is said to be Jewish." http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/13-09.html

She doesn't have to be 100% Jewish (and isn't) to be under "Jewish-British people". Vulturell 22:44, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * You have to produce a source saying she was a Jew. Adding her to that category just because she had one Jewish grandparent is misleading and an example original research, which you've been asked elsewhere to stop. You're now engaged in disruptive editing. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? "note that there were a number of European Jews who lived, or settled in India. Some examples: Lady Mountbatten," Can you read? Please? Vulturell 22:54, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Is this the only Lady Mountbatten it could be? SlimVirgin (talk) 22:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes.Vulturell 23:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Andrew Lownie, in his book 'The Mountbattens' writes that Edwina took an interest in her Jewish heritage, citing the examples of her helping Jewish charities. He also says that her 'Jewish blood made her sympathetic to the outsider', (perhaps partly because of the bullying she experienced at school because of it?) suggesting that as a reason why she was not racially prejudiced against African-American and Indian people. If it had some effect on her life, surely it should be mentioned? To be categorised as a British Jew on Wikipedia, does the person have to have taken an interest in it, or had it affect their life in some way, or can it just bea statement of their ancestry, regardless of their attitude to it? 188.30.54.44 (talk) 16:12, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Plagiarism?
Hello. I came across what struck me as a strangely worded phrase: "The Mountbattens met Nehru in 1946 in Malaya — and Nehru rescued Edwina from under a table!" Gosh, how exciting! Seriously, a quick Google search reveals this was copied directly from this location. This and many other lines of related text were introduced in this version of the article, which basically copied and pasted the aforementioned page into this wikipedia article. Subsequent edits have removed bits and pieces, but the bulk of the text remains unmolested. So, here are my objections. First, this appears to be plagiarism. Second, even if it isn't somehow, it's not the right style. Third, there is no citation at all. Fourth, even if it were treated as a reference rather than a source to be copied verbatim, and also cited properly, this LIve South Asia site is certainly not a reliable source anyway, and this site itself doesn't say anything. Is there anything I've missed? I intend to remove the offending text, and I wanted to give my reasons. Duke Thomas (talk) 05:54, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Edwina-rh.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:Edwinamountbatten.jpg
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Requested move
Under WP:NCNT, I believe Edwina Mountbatten qualifies as someone recalled almost exclusively by her personal name. Relata refero (talk) 14:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Incorrect, WP:NC(NT), which I help maintain, gives the names which should be used in the titles of articles about people who held royal or noble titles. Charles 22:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, and I pointed out this is one of the exclusions. Come on! Deal with the issue. Relata refero (talk) 13:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It was requested that this article be renamed, but there was no consensus found for it to be moved. Dekimasu よ! 10:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC) 

"Alex von Tunzelmann in his book ... allegedly claims..."
A rather excessively cautious statement. He either claims it or he doesn't. I have no intention of reading his book to verify the statement but if we cannot say he makes the claim then the "allegation" should be removed. What? Masalai (talk) 18:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Or it could be said that he alleges....Masalai (talk) 18:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Von Tunzelmann is a she, not a he. Esedowns (talk) 19:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

"Life after marriage"
The article is seriously deficient in paying no heed whatever to Lady Mountbatten's significance during and considerably beyond time as last Vice-reine and then wife of first Governor-General [sic, as to hyphen] of India. She was justly admired and congratulated for substantial part in preventing and relieving slaughter there; afterwards she took on a significant role elsewhere in the then-Empire, indeed dying of natural causes while doing so in Borneo. Is it not a dire deficiency in this article to focus nearly exclusively on broad-mindedness of both as to marital fidelity? Masalai (talk) 13:26, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it would be beneficial to have additional content to highlight the subject's life. "Life after marriage" wouldn't work though, since she was married when she died. Do you mean more about her life "during" her marriage? Best regards,  Cindy  ( talk to me ) 18:22, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Mis-statement of course. Masalai (talk) 22:05, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I would welcome anything more you would want to add to the article. I'll try to pull out some old books this next week and see if I can find some more information. Notice that I changed the content mistakenly sourced to Alex von Tunzelmann, as identified in your question above. The statement was actually made in an interview with a different author in Times of India. Good catch on that! Best regards,  Cindy  ( talk to me ) 23:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * One "old book" is Eartha Kitt's Confessions of a Sex Kitten Chapter 25. It was never treated seriously by reviewers and is long-forgotten. Surely reference to it here is inappropriate and should be cut. Masalai (talk) 04:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Section deleted?
At the outbreak of the Second World War, Lady Mountbatten acquired a new purpose in life and devoted her considerable intelligence and energy to the service of others.
 * This reads as though an earlier section had suggested a purpose different from this. Valetude (talk) 22:20, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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Arms?
She was a male-line descendant of the Earls of Shaftesbury, so I imagine she would have impaled their arms with those of her husband, but I cannot find a source. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 19:02, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

bisexuality and possible relationships with Nada Milford-Haven and Sophie Tucker
Andrew Lownie in his joint bio 'The Mountbattens' suggests that Edwina may have had affair with Sophie Tucker and the known lesbian Nada Milford-Haven. He quotes Charlotte Breese's bio Hutch, where she claims that the bisexuality of both Edwina and Louis is evident from a range of sources. I have not yet checked Breese's book. This article says that many have suggested that both were bisexual.https://citystylenews.com/lifestyle/lord-mountbatten-and-his-heiress-wife-both-had-bisexual-affairs/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.30.54.44 (talk) 16:38, 21 June 2022 (UTC)