Talk:Effect of the 2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike on television/Archive 1

categories
Do we really need all of the "uncited sources" categories? to me, the article seems fairly well sourced, with 65+ sources, linking to a few hundred articles... Tingrin87 09:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * When someone tags an cn template to text, which adds the citation needed notation, it automatically generates the categories you see at the bottom of the article. Once those unsourced items are remedied (there are 3 at this time), those categories will disappear—again automatically. Also don't fall into the trap that "linking to a few hundred articles" is citation. Wikipedia doesn't use itself as a reference; each article must independently support all of its assertions. Hope this answers your question.&mdash;-- Twigboy (talk) 21:55, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Those are essentially housekeeping categories, reflecting, as Twigboy said, nothing more than the presence of at least one unsourced fact. It would be nice if we had some way to separate them from the categories that truly describe the article, but, oh well. Father Goose (talk) 22:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Grid Format

 * My thinking is that the information in the grid should be organized in this way, broken off into four different grids:


 * Daytime (combined network/syndie)
 * Primetime; broken off into
 * Broadcast
 * Cable
 * Late Night (combined network/cable)

That way the information could be sorted in headings easily accessed via the TOC box. Nate 02:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * In the original strike article, I suggested re-alphabetizing just by show name, but there was not support for that change, at least at that point. Mrschimpf, your suggestion does have the advantage of included the syndicated shows but I'm not sure how you would categorize shows in practice.  It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is replayed throughout the day as is the Colber Report.  Also, what shows would be in your "Broadcast" grid(that wouldn't already be covered by your Daytime, Primetime, and Late Night grids.  I'm not against your idea, I just need more info to decide.


 * I'm toying with a new grid myself, see next section.DirectRevelation 15:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation


 * I meant primetime in the sense that the first airing of a cable series is usually in primetime; I'm not talking about like the premiere of a craft show on DIY Network at 1:30pm, of course or repeat airings. Nor am I counting those few stations that air Dr. Phil and Ellen in prime time or a second run as putting that in the primetime grid, I'm just going by their intended original time of day in syndication if it was a perfect world and every show could get their show on when they wanted to, not where Judge Alex leads into the morning news at 4:30 in the morning. -- Nate (talk) 21:22, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * For once I don't have an opinion!!! I think that grouping by type is no more or less clear than grouping by network.  Be bold now or give it the weekend for more feedback, whichever.  Budget out some time though, I found out with removing Dr. Who that editing this grid is a real hassle.  I wish we could just upload excel files.DirectRevelation (talk) 03:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation

Purpose of this spinoff Article
(Ok, I'm adding much more content to this talk page than to the actual article, but forgive me.)

When this page was spun off from the strike article, the idea seemed to be to create an Entertainment page for TV viewers/fans that quickly told them the status of their favorite shows. The original Strike article would be more NEWS with labor and industry issues. As a matter of style, the Entertainment items were in grids and the News in prose which is how we've been framing this discussion up to this point but I think it's more fundamental.

Of course articles can take on a life of their own but I don't want to duplicate work between the two articles. Right now we have identical information about a possible CBS news strike in both articles. And, if we add additional information about Talk Shows or Reality TV, we will quickly be duplicating information on the two articles. I could also arguably add the rise in Southern California unemployment claims to both articles.

Using the CBS News as an example, I would see this Entertainment article listing the CBS shows that might be impacted in the grid (and noting that it is a different potential strike) while the News section would give a note of a possible 2nd strike (which would break out into a 2nd News article if it happens.)

What do other people think should be the distinction between the two articles?DirectRevelation (talk) 13:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation

The Unit
The TV show The Unit is not on this list for some reason. Tmaull (talk) 12:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It appears to be a US based show currently boardcasting the 3rd season, check the primary sources in the same network and if one of them mentions this show and how it's affected, be bold and add it here with the cite. Jon (talk) 21:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Consolidating Soap Opera section
I think the information in the soap opera section should be added to the grid, eliminating the need for separate section. Any thoughts? DirectRevelation 01:55, 16 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation


 * Going, going... DirectRevelation (talk) 14:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation


 * Gone. All information, shows, networks, and citations part of grid now. DirectRevelation (talk) 20:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation

Flash Gordon
I wasn't aware (and am still not) of any source saying it had been renewed for a second season. If it hasn't been renewed it should probably be cut here unless a reliable source relates the strike to a decision not to renew. [It's last scheledued episode for months has been this coming Friday.] Jon (talk) 03:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Removed for lack of citition after 36+ hours. Jon (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I might have a more liberal inclusion policy than others. If fans coming to this site might reasonably wonder if Flash Gordon was halted because of the strike, I have no problem saying ""No, this show was already cancelled."  Similarly, we're listing a Canadian show and explaining why it's NOT impacted by the strike.


 * I'm not suggesting we add cancelled reality showss and obvious imports. Bit I'm OK with a few listings that say this show is NOT impacted by the strike and heres why.  I have not reversed your Flash Gordon deletion though.  DirectRevelation (talk) 05:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation

Shows NOT impacted by the Strike
On the original Strike page I didn't see any problem with this issue but I've changed my mind as new content has been added.

Some of the not impacted shows belong here. Everybody Hates Chris is WGAw written so it would be surprising that it is not impacted. Also, most big talk shows are off the air so it's worth noting that Oprah and Ellen are still in production.

But did anyone coming to this article really think Pro Wrestling was impacted? And Dr. Who is clearly a British Show, do we start listing all the other Brit seris on PBS and BBC America? Maybe. (In contrast, I think Stargate Atlantis deserves mentioning because it's not widely known to be a Canadian show.) These items were posted in good faith with sources, so I'm not blasting the contributors. But how broad should we cast our net here?

Also, there are some formatting issues with how we mention non-impacted shows. Some appear in the grid, some in the sections on types of tv shows, some in the Not Impacted section (and shows that ARE on strike are in the Not Impacted secion.) Should we add a second grid?

Basically, there are a couple of reasons a show wouldn't be impacted:
 * WGAE or WGAw already wrote the scripts.
 * The writers are represented by another American union (IATSE or AFTRA)
 * The show either doesn't have writers or their writers are not recognized as such (reality).
 * The show has traditional writers but they are non-union.
 * The show is made overseas.

What do others think about including shows NOT impacted by the strike?DirectRevelation 15:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation


 * I think we could put non-affected shows in their own grid too, but it shouldn't get too big and caution should be used in adding shows unaffected. Oprah, Springer, Wilkos, and Maury are slam dunks for the grids since they don't use writers along with the various judge shows. But if we get to international shows we have to watch out. Degrassi and Instant Star are obviously Canadian but confused as American shows to some and should be disclaimed, but if we're talking Torchwood and Hotel Babylon we don't need to have those in the grid because they were originally produced for a British audience. I'm just under the mind we should list what we can, but we can't list too much; if it's on WeTV or IFC for instance use caution, but be more relaxed for a program on TBS or USA. -- Nate (talk) 21:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not in favor of the rasslin' shows being mentioned, but I haven't been bold enough to remove it. I think that we would be overgridding the article by adding a nonaffected table. The article needs prose, and that section is very succinct: Each paragraph essentially reads, X-type shows, such as Y and Z, are unaffected because of some reason. Every single game show, talk show, reality show or animated show that is unaffected does not merit a mention, just an overview of the genre with noted exceptions or issues. Also, now that the article has been split off of the main article, I think the sections need to be reorganized, such as splitting "unaffected" into its own multilayered section, and reordered. I'm not exactly sure the best answer, but something to look at.&mdash;-- Twigboy (talk) 22:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I made a few changes based on this discussion:
 * I added an overarching "impact by genre" and made the other text sections subordinate
 * Dr Who is outta there based on our strict "List Canadian, Delete British" policy.
 * Late Night sub-heading changed to Talk Show. Moved Oprah there.
 * "Programs unaffected by strike action" listed as many shows that ARE on strike. Toyed with with breaking this into separating sub-sections but it would have been too choppy so it's now: "Other"
 * Moved pro wrestling to Politician section of main strike page. (If anything, this was a response to the strike, not an impact.)
 * Moved radio labor issue at CBS to main 2007 strike page. (Not TV, doesn't belong here.)
 * DirectRevelation (talk) 02:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation
 * CBS News issue does involve tv as well per TwigBoy. See further discussion in Purpose of Article, below.DirectRevelation (talk) 13:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation
 * Agreed, CBS has multiple news programs on TV, CBS Nightly News being their evening one but they also have a morning one and in addition some of their local affilates have their own news programs. Jon (talk) 03:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Broke my own rule of including Canadian-made but not British-made shows. AMC's Hustle includes actors with British, American, Jamaican, and indecipherable accents.  It's not obviously an import so I included it. DirectRevelation 08:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation

Alphabetizing Networks
Two networks (The 101 and The N) are listed under T for "The". In contrast, The Sci Fi Channel and The Cartoon Network both market themselves with "The" but they are not under T. Any issues if I realphabetize?DirectRevelation (talk) 21:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation


 * Be bold! Seriously, you don't have to check with anyone even when making potentially controversial edits.  If someone disagrees with your changes they can revert you and then the matter can be discussed (see WP:BRD).--Father Goose (talk) 22:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Father, I know your advice is sound but this online community values SAYING they want people to be bold without ever wanting them to ACTUALLY be bold. I swear there are hundreds of people online just ramdomly hitting undo for any changes not posted in the Talk page.  Am I too cynical?


 * In any case, I realphabetized and our list now begins with DirecTV's sucky free concert channel. DirectRevelation (talk) 04:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation


 * Sometimes they revert, sometimes they don't. It can sting when you get reverted, but if you learn to get past that, it makes editing so much easier.  It's like suggesting and implementing changes at the same time -- people can see what you're talking about right away and you don't have to twiddle your thumbs.  If they don't revert, that means you did the right thing with a minimum of fuss; if they do revert, that merely signals that now a discussion is in order.
 * It is good to discuss changes that you know are going to be controversial, to keep from raising people's hackles. If they disagree with you, things can remain civil, but when people get pissed off, they get stubborn.  But that's the only time discussion beforehand is really necessary, and even then it's sometimes good to blaze ahead with edits, as long you're trying to forge a compromise and not just edit-war.
 * Lmao @ DirecTV's sucky free concert channel.--Father Goose 03:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Why are shows affected?
Should this be mentioned? It's clear that scripted dramas and comedys would be suspended without writers, but should it be explained why Talk shows are suspended? I've read that they could continue with standup comics or musical acts filling some time. I have also read that, eg, Leno is not a Guild member but "refused to cross the picket lines", as did his guest hosts. Is that implying that he could host the show if he wanted to? Would he be forced to improvise the show or would he be allowed to write it himself? Are other hosts members of the guild? etc. TheHYPO 05:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, I can only guess at most of those questions. Ellen De Generis continued with her show, but dropped the monologue, so apparently that was written by union writers.  The other talk show hosts could probably do something similar, but a lot of them are former/current comedy writers themselves, so they have a lot of solidarity with their writing staff.  Should any of that be added to the article?  Need references.--Father Goose 07:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Again, is it illegal; or simply "anti-WGA" for them to write their own monologues for the shows (or would they just suck at it?). It seems from what people are saying that shows are avoiding even scripting anything in a show, even a greeting or single joke. I'm also curious as to why Leno (or Conan, etc) aren't members. Aren't they the head writers of their shows? or is there a thing whereby, since they are in the SAG (I assume), they don't need to or can't be in the WGA? Thanks TheHYPO 08:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure they aren't Guild members, but that doesn't strictly mean they couldn't continue producing and performing their shows without written material. If they wrote their own material at this time, they'd lose their Guild membership, or become ineligible for membership (supposedly the health benefits alone are worth membership).  Suffice it to say they honor the strike even though they could work around it.--Father Goose 17:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I did some looking and found that unlike most shows, Leno isn't a (credited) writer for Tonight Show, which would probably explain his not being in the WGA (articles discussing the above mention that he's not a member). Apparently Conan (and I presume other hosts that are also writers) is a member. TheHYPO (talk) 07:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

table alignment
I think the left column of the table should be top aligned. It would make it easier to tell which network it is talking about because the first show on the list would be aligned with the mnetwork it airs on, which is currently not the case. I don't really know wiki markup well enough to change it or know if it can be changed. Just putting it out there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.196.46 (talk) 15:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

South Park
Has the Comedy Central show South Park been affected in any way by the WGA strike shouldn't it be included as part of the list of Comedy Central programs? Simon Bar Sinister (talk) 19:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I read somewhere that they don't have union writers and therefore are not affected. TheHYPO (talk) 21:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * i saw the same somewhere, but can not cite my source, sorry -Tingrin87 (talk) 07:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Number of epidoes completed?
Can somebody explain the "number of episodes completed" part by each show in the table at the top? How useful is this? It doesn't give a time frame, so readers don't know what this means. Does it mean the number of episodes written when the strike started? Does it mean the number of episodes left right now? The name of this article is "Effect of the 2007 ... strike", so shouldn't this article say how many weeks the show can run, instead of the number of episodes? • Supā saru  18:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've clarified that these all seem to be numbers for "this season". Perhaps "13 episodes completed" could be changed to "completed and aired", but I don't know for a fact this is true for all shows, so I'm hesitant to do that change myself. TheHYPO (talk) 07:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I also think that it's not informative how many "completed" episodes there are, because it doesn't show how the strike actually affected the season. It would be much better if we could have something like "X episodes completed of Y originally planned".  Or something like that. Margamanterola (talk) 20:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Conan and Leno writing their own material?
I heard on the news just a few minutes ago that Conan O'Brien and Jay Leno will be writing their own material for the Jan. 2, 2008-onward episodes. Not a lot of details there though-- my guess is more improvisation than usual (something Conan's great at, but Leno will probably stumble a bit). Anyone have more information on this? --Josh1billion (talk) 11:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

My name is earl
Many sites including nbc.com list one more episode. even this one says 13 have been made, but only 12 aired, so changing 0 left to 1. till jan 10th when it airs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.6.101 (talk) 15:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

True Blood
There's a problem with True Blood, it's listed under the network column. I don't know how to fix that. Czolgolz (talk) 14:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Colors in the table?
How about colors is in table? Red = no more episodes available, yellow = some episodes remaining, green = not affected / season completely filmes, grey = unknown. --84.178.86.180 (talk) 14:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I was thinking about! How about this format:

This chart needs working, but I think it's got the approximate shape. What do you think? --haha169 (talk) 17:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks great! The notes section that was on the old table is missing, that might cause some problems where to put certain information, so I added it back in. We might consider making the table sortable, like so:

I will be away for a while, so if you like it, just go ahead. --134.93.199.55 (talk) 11:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Before you do that there are a couple of points to resolve. The merged cells in the network column will break the sortable table. If it is to be sortable, repeat the network on each line. I'm not a big fan of merging cells for such a large table, as I have to scroll to see the network The Amazing Race is on (and once I find CBS, The Amazing Race has scrolled off the screen). Also, because of the varied definition of a television season, maybe shows should indicate if they fulfilled their network commitments. (For example: Law & Order: Criminal Intent completed the requisite 10 episodes, but would that be a completed season?) Using this example, it could be shaded red ("no more episodes available") or green ("season completed"). And, for an effective color communication, the entire row should be highlighted, not a rainbow of color-matched information across the row. Otherwise, the completed season column seems to have it's own set of rules separate from the rest of the table. I don't think gray is necessary, as white would suffice for the "unknown".&mdash;Twigboy (talk) 15:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am quite clueless when it comes to making tables. If you'd like, you can improve on it and post it here. When we settle on a good result, we'll add it to the main article. --haha169 (talk) 06:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, if there are 20 episodes remaining, I think that should be green, not yellow.--haha169 (talk) 00:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I've come up with a simple answer to Twigboy's request. The Series name would be highlighted with the average color (ex. 2 reds one yellow, the highlight would be red). As for network name, it would be highlighted with the average color of the series name. I understand if my explanation may be confusing, but I couldn't think of a better way to describe it. --haha169 (talk) 06:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I vote for no colors, especially on the basis of the columns/criteria suggested above. I think it's not for us to describe what the "status" of the shows are. Most of them have been affected in some way, but many have worked around the strike by simply producing an abbreviated season. Is that "incomplete". It's subjective. Since we don't have objective measures of "status", we should avoid categorizing on the basis of it.--Father Goose (talk) 08:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Although you do have a point, the "Notes" section in the current article is somewhat similar to the "Current Status" on the color chart. --haha169 (talk) 19:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The notes section doesn't include any original analysis, just facts drawn from sources. I'm wary of making generalizations about the status of shows based on "scripts completed" and so on.--Father Goose (talk) 21:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Many sources do indicate the "originally planned" or "ordered" amount of episodes. So, even if the season has been worked-around to be "complete", we know that they haven't fullfilled what was originally planned.  In any case, I think it's much more useful to show the number of completed vs ordered episodes than the "remaining episodes" number.  So, if the table is going to be changed, I'd say the status should include "13 out of 24 originally planned episodes completed" or the like. I have been putting a lot of effort into including that data for as many shows as possible. Margamanterola (talk) 23:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

"Scab"
"Scab" is unencyclopedic slang, and a weasel word, to boot. Strikebreaker is more appropriate. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for pro- or anti- union propagandizing. Bkalafut (talk) 02:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Listing shows that are not affected
This is supposed to be the page that lists the Effect of the strike.

The current table lists almost all shows on US TV. It's more a showcase of what is/was on TV than a list of effects of the strike. There are quite a bunch of shows that have *NOT* been affected, because all the episodes were completed on time. So, these shows should either be removed or -at least- be moved to a second table of "unaffected shows".

Another thing to keep in mind is that the strike is now having an effect on the renewal of shows, but we don't seem to have that info anywhere. It also doesn't seem to be easy to find, but I think that it's much more valuable, and much more worthy of wikipedia than the list of shows that have completed their commitments (and thus are not really affected by the strike). Margamanterola (talk) 23:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks to me like the majority of the shows in the grid were affected, and for completeness' sake, it's good to have the unaffected shows listed as well.--Father Goose (talk) 03:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe that was because someone had removed all the work I had been doing yesterday. I have restored all the information I had uploaded, and the list of show that completed their season is: Big Shots, Cavemen, Carpoolers, Eli Stone, October Road, Cane, Jericho, Welcome to The Captain, Everybody hates Chris, Life is Wild, Reaper, American Dad,  Canterbury's Law, New Amsterdam, The Return of Jezebel James, The Shield, The Wire, Monk and Psych.


 * So, even though the affected ones are more than the not affected, I don't think they correspond in the same table. It looks to me that the table was created by someone who wanted to see how many episodes were left for everything, not really the Effect of the strike (and that's what this article is about).


 * My proposal is: split the table in "Affected shows" and "Unaffected shows". Margamanterola (talk) 12:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * My proposal is: split the table into "Dead Shows" and "Running Shows", or something of that nature. My vocabulary is failing me now... Basically, it's shows that are REALLY affected with no more episodes left to air, and shows that are affected but still have some juice left.
 * I think that "Affected Shows" and "Unaffected shows" aren't the best choice, because it makes readers wonder why the "Unaffected Shows" are in this article, even though they really are Affected to some degree. --haha169 (talk) 01:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that we really need to figure this out right now. People are readily adding shows and stating a "not affected" in the notes section. Even more preposterous is "Canadian Television Show, not affected". We need to decide whether or not to include all television shows from the channel to make it "complete", or only include those that are affected. --haha169 (talk) 06:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Featured List
It is my goal to bring this list up to WP:FLcriteria. I am really looking for people who are willing to help me. Thank you. --haha169 (talk) 07:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

US networks buying foreign shows
There should be mention about the US networks buying foreign shows to fill the holes caused by the strike. Especially since the NY Times just called the Writers Guild of Canada a bunch of scabs for writing Flashpoint (TV series) for CBS. 70.55.85.35 (talk) 04:58, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Great Idea. I could probably insert that somewhere, but could I have a better source than just "NY Times"? --24.6.103.162 (talk) 20:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Strike over?
See this article. Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 03:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * There is an ongoing discussion going on on the main Writer's Strike article's talk page. Go check it out. We'll do whatever they decide on. --haha169 (talk) 19:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Reactions
WTF is the point of that section? Whoever created it should go research here: 2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike and write it themselves, instead of leaving that expansion template there. --haha169 (talk) 05:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Post-Strike-Reformating
It's still a bit early, but I think we should begin to to adapt this article to cope with the end of the strike. As series get into production we'll be more looking at listing when/if the shows ran out of episodes and how long the season was cf how long it was planned to be.

Any ideas?

Duggy 1138 (talk) 14:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I've given it a shot.
 * Duggy 1138 (talk) 12:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The table formats are crazy! One of the tables are incredibly messed up, while the others have minor formatting problems. Wikitables have always confused me, and I have attempted to fix some, though they still need serious work. Will someone do something? --haha169 (talk) 04:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I am going to save the original version of that table here, in case this reformatting needs to start over. I will leave it in the scroll box below:

Please retrieve it using edit mode, or else the table will not show up correctly if reused.

--haha169 (talk) 04:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I fixed whatever looked obviously wrong to me. If you think other things need fixing, let me know.--Father Goose (talk) 06:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Battlestar Galactica
"Only the front half (first ten) were planned to be aired in Spring 2008 season with an indefinite time (now more so) for the back half."

Currently it's in the "postponed" pile, but since the strike is over, I'm guessing the original plan remains in place and, as such, this show should be in the "Unaffected Category". Any opinions?

Duggy 1138 (talk) 09:49, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Big Brother
The line about the following season following the same format... I'm guessing this means that this season starts early, next season starts the usual time, so there aren't actually any "extra" episodes? Anyone confirm or deny?

Duggy 1138 (talk) 09:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Big Brother was only going to have a ninth season to air in the summer due to the strike CBS decided to air two seasons of Big Brother. Big Brother 9 (U.S.) is airing now while an additional season Big Brother 10 was ordered to air in the summer. There were rumors that the format would change or Big Brother 9 would have been an American version of Celebrity Big Brother.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  02:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Out of Jimmy's Head
Seems all 13 episode have been made, although we don't know how many were made before the strike. Anyone know? And did the show get interrupted because of the strike?

Duggy 1138 (talk) 03:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Nobody knows about that show's status. Its an oddball, because its a cartoon, which generally aren't affected by strikes. However, a writer from this show was listed on the WGA's official website, under "Pencils Down". Out of every single show left ungrouped, this will probably remain for the duration. We should work on shows that are easier to group for now. (Sorry for being gone for so long, I was working on rvt. vandalism and other wikia wikis.) --haha169 (talk) 06:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm beginning to realise that we may never know the answer for some of the ungrouped ones. We should continue working on them, but realise we may have to delete the lot one day (not today, this isn't a invitation for people to delete that section.  It's still relevant - now.)
 * Duggy 1138 (talk) 00:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry I was gone for quite a long time. I was working on Super Smash Bros. Brawl prior to its release date. We're still trying to reach GA status. Anyways, how's this article going? I think we should delete everything right about now, and change the "ungrouped" section to the shows that were listed in the "Pencils Down" list on the WGA site. --haha169 (talk) 04:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The ungrouped section is a problem... less and less it getting weeded out. As shows restart or not some will be able to be moved... but I think, yeah, pick a category and put them in it until better evidence appears.
 * Duggy 1138 (talk) 10:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Leaving it as is? Alright then. I'll be back if you need any help. --haha169 (talk) 22:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Las Vegas
Someone should correct the information about the NBC show "Las Vegas". It was canceled due to the strike. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.19.140 (talk) 04:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't find anything that says it was cancelled because of the strike.
 * Duggy 1138 (talk) 06:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_%28TV_series%29#Program_information They said that it was too expensive to restart production after the strike... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.19.140 (talk) 22:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 09:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
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Future Tense?
Alot of this article is still stated in the future tense. For example, it mentions that 24: Redemption will air in November 2008. That's been almost a year ago. Is anyone with better knowledge of the outcomes of various shows still out there? --Unexplainedbacon (talk) 17:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Breaking Bad
Breaking Bad's first season has also been shortened due to the strike. It would be nice if somebody could add that to the article. --Thisuserdoesnotexist (talk) 23:37, 22 January 2011 (UTC)