Talk:Egri Bikavér

The reference to the uniform quality of tokaji wines is only true in a relative sense, if at all. Some terrible stuff is still produced there too. The difference is that bad tokaji doesn't travel, not even to Budapest (Russia is an exception), whereas bad bull's blood is all over Europe, tarnishing the reputation of the outstanding bikavérs. varbal 22:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Needs POV editing and cleanup. Char leen mer ced   Talk  18:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)Charleenmerced

I've given it a serious copyedit to Start standard, but I've done no fact checking or referencing, which it badly needs. I hope our Hungarian friends don't mind me using the standard en:Wikipedia names for the grapes. The last section is a bit woolly, but better than it was. Could do with a bit more on the development of the blend, especially wrt Blaufrankisch I feel. I've also done Start articles on Blauburger and Fritz Zweigelt, which we were missing FlagSteward 13:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * In particular I have one query about "Kekmedoc". The original authors seem to distinguish between Kekmedoc and Merlot, whereas I thought Medoc Noir = Merlot.  So I've written it that way; if someone can prove otherwise, lets see the reference.
 * This article could also do with pictures
 * And a list of major producers

Bikavér outside Hungary?
Palotai Vineyard & Winery is an American winery from the Umpqua Valley AVA region. It was founded by Gabor Palotai. He is a native of Hungary who gained his early training in his home country. His winery produces a blend called Bull's Blood which I believe conforms to the the Egri Bikavér blending standard. Once the blend has been confirmed would it make sense to call this a Bikavér? Since this article redirects Bull's Blood to the article would the winery possibly tie in as an example of Bikavér production spreading outside Hungary? Your thoughts on this are appreciated, thank you.

Uncubed (talk) 05:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Egri Bikavér is a protected designation of origin, just like for example Champagne, Chablis and Rioja. Thus, it can only be made within the designated area. The translation "Bull's Blood", since the English term is so different from the Hungarian name, is most likely not protected, so anyone can probably call it that. I suggest you describe it as "in the style of Egri Bikavér", "using the same blend as Egri Bikavér" or something similar, in the winery's article. But it would have very little to do in this article. Regards, Tomas e (talk) 09:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the clarification. Based on this article and what I could find around the web in english I was confused.  I could see that Egri Bikavér was a protected designation of origin.  However based on the history of the wine it seemed that it had been produced and recognized as Bull's Blood historically outside the region designated by Egri Bikavér.  Because of this I thought Bikavér may be a recognized blend distinct from Egri Bikavér.  It seems this is not the case so I will address it in a manner similar to your suggestions. Uncubed (talk) 17:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There are many historical instances of today's PDOs being used more loosely in the old days, without being seen as outright forgeries. German sparkling wines were labelled "Champagne" before the term "Sekt" was common, Chablis used to be sourced from a much larger area than set out in today's appellation rules and so on. That is one of the reasons why these regulations finally came about. Tomas e (talk) 18:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)