Talk:Egypt at the 2012 Summer Olympics

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From the discussion at User talk:Raymarcbadz


 * Thank you for taking the time out to provide a third opinion and to move the discussion to the article talk page, where it probably belonged in the first place. Raymarcbadz, considering this third opinion, I'm going to restore the article to the state that it was prior to the removals. I realize that this might be judged as a little hasty, since WP:3O isn't meant to be a "decisive vote" process, but I also note that this article is currently listed at WP:GAN, which means that another impartial observer will eventually be reviewing this article and judging its suitably as a Good Article. This will therefore be another avenue through which you can voice your concerns and, as per the process, I will be happy to incorporate any changes suggested by the reviewer. Canadian   Paul  17:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay. Canadian Paul, I have already observed the article again, and you restored the content for the purpose of an article review. I have several concerns to note for the following:
 * When you restored the article to the state before the mass removal, you almost forgot to add the competitors section. I counted the total number of athletes, including the distribution between men and women and among the sports they competed.
 * Some athletes in the article do not have their own pages yet, particularly in gymnastics and rowing. Is there a possible approach that you can add them, so that they might have one?
 * Why do you commonly use Sports Reference as a citation to the content that you already made? For the athletes, however, there's indeed a citation format for it. Seek this example.

I hope you might answer everything ASAP. Thank you! Raymarcbadz (talk) 19:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * First of all, as this is a volunteer project, I am under no obligation to respond to you "ASAP"; I will respond when and if I have the time. As to your specific questions:
 * I did not "forget", almost or otherwise, to add the "competitors" section; I chose not to add it because I find it is, to a large degree, unsourced, redundant, and unencyclopedic. Most of it is just trivia that does little to complement the article. Considering that your concern was that the article was too bloated, to the tune of removing 60k+ of material, I am surprised that you now want to increase the size even further with sentences like "Men's football was the only team event in which Egypt had its representation in these Olympic games", which is totally unnecessary and obvious from reading the rest of the article anyways. Having said that, I'll leave it in there for now and make a note with whoever decides to review this for GA status. If they think it should remain, then that's fine with me.
 * Removing the redlinked athletes was inappropriate per WP:REDDEAL, which states that "a red link should be allowed to remain in an article if it links to a term that could plausibly sustain an article, but for which there is no existing candidate article, or article section". Since all of the redlinks you removed were for Olympic athletes, which are automatically notable per WP:ATHLETE, there is no reason to remove the links from the article, thus I will be restoring them. Also note, in terms of creating the articles, "A red link to an article that will plausibly be created in the future should be left alone rather than being created as a minimal stub article that has no useful information."
 * The citation style used at Ahmed Habash for the Sports Reference website is insufficient. The website "Sports Reference" did not create the data or write the biographies, it was Bill Mallon et al., as can be demonstrated by the "Contributors and sources" page. Since these individuals work hard on providing the information that were are citing on Wikipedia, they should be credited for their work. As for there being a particular way to citing any source, please note per WP:CITEVAR, "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change."

Canadian  Paul  21:54, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

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I see this is up at GAN again, and despite the overt & extreme unpleasantness and ingratitude I experienced at the hands of the nominator, it's important to consider that the current paltry lead is way off what is expected from a B-class article, let alone a GA, hence I've tagged it. Please see WP:LEAD to see what is expected. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Rambling Man. I said earlier that the important thing about this article was improving the content, not getting a little green symbol but now, having been to Cairo and visited their Olympic Committee, and having spent two weeks really trying to understand the state of sports in their country, I now have a renewed sense of what an article like this can accomplish. There's so little information out there in English that an article like this can really make a difference in people's understanding, although I admit that there are probably far better articles that could be improved in order to accomplish that end. Thus I want to resume improving this and similar articles in the hopes of legitimately expanding the availability and quality of knowledge. Of course, I won't insult anyone's intelligence by claiming that I don't care at all about it being a Good or Feature Article, after all, a pat on the back or two goes a long way in making one feel appreciated for their hard work and encouraging them to move on, but it is not my primary focus


 * I made no attempt to hide or disguise the previous review or my reaction towards it and I highlighted the issues in the note that was attached to the nomination. You are correct in saying that I lacked gratitude for your review and for that I apologize and note that I did implement most of your well-thoughout and valuable comments. They went a long way in improving the article and for that I am very appreciative. Given the hard work and stressful nature that goes into working on Wikipedia, I hope that you can forgive me for my behavior. Any reviewer is welcome to look over your review and my reaction to it and decide that I am not worth working with. They can also, however, peruse my history at WP:GA and see that incidents such as this are the exception rather than the rule. As I also stated in that note, if another person agrees with your comments, then I will consider that consensus and respect it. We have a disagreement here: you think WP:LEAD should be followed in this case, whereas I think that WP:IAR should apply here because it doesn't make sense to follow WP:LEAD strictly given the nature of the article. One thing we both agree on, however, is that we want the article (or at least the project) to be improved (or else why would we spend our time here?). In that spirit, can I ask that either the tag be taken off or that we seek out a neutral third party opinion to resolve this matter right away (as opposed to waiting for the GA reviewer)? The tag benefits no one: a reviewer will come by, quick fail the article, and no one will get what they want. Most importantly, it will mean that the article will not be improved. Tags are often good and can indicate problems with the article, but in this case it would be a sign of good faith to get rid of the tag because it's in dispute (since I disagree with it) and said dispute could be solved in a way that benefits the project by involving neutral parties.  Canadian   Paul  09:16, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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