Talk:Eighth Grade (film)

Requested move 25 September 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved (page mover nac) Flooded  with them hundreds  13:53, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Eighth Grade (film) → Eighth Grade – Per WP:DIFFCAPS, a difference in capitalization is sufficient disambiguation, as evidenced by the policy's example of "red meat" vs. "Red Meat". Here, we can have "eighth grade" and "Eighth Grade". Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 14:59, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Support with proviso - Would also need a hatnote to confirm the differences between this and the eighth grade.  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 15:12, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree completely. This is done with panic room and Panic Room. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 15:23, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:DIFFCAPS. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 16:25, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Support' per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:D, WP:DIFFCAPS and User:Born2cycle/Unnecessary_disambiguation. --В²C ☎ 16:36, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose and create disambiguation page at "Eighth Grade" basename. Not sure the capitals are a big enough difference to work. It might be most helpful to have a WP:TWODABS disambiguation page held at the basename of "Eighth Grade". Like the "New York (state)" issue, if you're typing in the Wikipedia search bar, you'd instantly know what the topic of the article "Eighth Grade (film)" is, but you wouldn't be sure what the topic of the article "Eighth Grade" is (like seeing "New York (state)" vs. "New York"). A disambiguation page should presumably be created at the basename (but no matter what, "Eighth Grade" should not redirect to "Eighth grade" - it should either be the article title of the film or the dab page). Paintspot Infez (talk) 17:04, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Your argument is completely against Wikipedia's policy of WP:DIFFCAPS. This pair of topics is completely like the policy's example of "red meat" vs. "Red Meat". Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 17:13, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The capital letter doesn't seem sufficient here. I think it would be much more common for someone to mistakenly use a capital G in "Eighth Grade" (e.g., thinking it is a proper name since it refers to a specific school grade) than in "Red Meat". The popularity of the recent film already seems to be fading. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:53, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * "I think it would be much more common for someone to mistakenly use a capital G..." That is pure speculation. Secondary sources writing about the common topic almost always write "eighth grade" in lowercase. A quick look at The New York Times and Education Week confirms this. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 19:06, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * For purposes of this discussion, it is not a question of what would be done by reliable sources like The New York Times and Education Week. It is a question of what would be done by the random reader of Wikipedia or by the random editor of Wikipedia who is creating an internal Wikilink without checking what it links to. We're talking about where those people would be sent. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:09, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose and agree with others that the difference here may be insufficient to be reliably clear to the reader. DIFFCAPS notes that while caps are usually sufficient, less ambiguous alternatives consistent with our titling criteria are fine; retaining the current, standard clarifier of "(film)", while not as brief as the proposed alternative, IMHO better meets the good title criteria of recognizability or distinguishability, and is in the better interest of the reader.  ╠╣uw [ talk ]  20:24, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose I was neutral on this at first, but "Grade 8" is standard capitalization, at least in the Canadian Press, so it is conceivable someone looking for "Eighth Grade" wants eighth grade and WP:SMALLDETAILS doesn't apply here. Per WP:TWODABS no one needs a disambig page with only two entries and no one needs a hatnote on the top of this article. Ribbet32 (talk) 17:57, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I see no sources that the grade after 7th grade isn't often capitalized. Red   Slash  04:42, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * This is the opposite of how burden of proof works, surely, and indeed Erik already provides evidence relating to NYT above. To oppose the move, one should provide evidence that "eighth Grade" or "Eighth Grade" is common. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 09:49, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose Eighth grade is the primary topic. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 17:40, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


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Cast section
This article needs a cast section directly under the plot. Please add one as soon as possible, as this is not suitable for Wikipedia's format for movies. -NowIsntItTime(chats)(doings) 01:44, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That is incorrect per guideline; WP:CASTLIST Ribbet32 (talk) 06:01, 11 December 2018 (UTC)