Talk:El-Aurian

"However, if they were not warp-capable, the allocation of years of travel from El-Auria to Earth and back again may be acceptable to a long-lived species if the trip was profitable or beneficial in some way."

Even with high warp speeds, travel from the Delta quadrant to Earth takes some 70 years (see Voyager), so without warp it would take way too long, even for such a long-lived species. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)


 * I would think the estimate is a bit outdated. In Q Who? the Enterprise was whisked away to the Borg space ("near the System J2-5" 7000 lightyears away from their original location) by Q and the estimated time required to return (at maximum warp speed) was 2 years.
 * Was it ever really established that El-Auria is located in the Delta Quadrant? According to that episode, the El-Aurians had been to that place before having been wiped out by the Borg. Granted, though: even if the El-Aurian homeworld was near to that place, it would still have taken them 7000 years at lightspeed alone, so "conventional" travel would be a bit unlikely, even for El-Aurians.
 * If they got there without warpspeed, it must have been a colony ship or something like that, and several tens (or hundreds, at sub-lightspeed) of generations would have had passed before they arrived -- which would suggest larger numbers than Guinan's backstory of the odd secret visitor.
 * Either way, the interesting notion here is how close the Borg were to Federation space. 2 years at maximum warp (i.e. nine-point-something) is quite realistic for a determined invasion force, whereas the Voyager series' Borg seemed to rely on wormholes to get to places in an instant (thus allowing them to be located much farther away and still be a threat). I wonder whether the original "homeworld" of the Borg being located ~70 years away at max warp was intended from the start or added later because the ~2 years turned out being too close.
 * But I digress... &mdash; Ashmodai (talk &middot; contribs) 20:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

"mind-reading ability"
There is a suggestion in the article that the El-Aurians have mind-reading capability because of Soran's manipulation of Picard. It seemed to me this wasn't mind reading, it was just another example of El-Aurians' ability to be good listeners. Picard was clearly acting very impatient and upset and Soran extrapolated it was something related to time/mortality and it worked. 75.85.48.172 (talk) 06:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Awareness outside of normal space-time
"They also have an awareness beyond the normal flow of time and space and can detect changes to time even though they may not be aware of exactly what those changes were."

Is it anywhere established that this is common to all El Aurians? As far as I know, only Guinan has demonstrated this ability. I thought this could be due to her time in the Nexus. Marky1981 19:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Guinan has space-time superpowers because part of her exists outside time, in the Nexus --VAcharon 00:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That was only established in a draft script of Star Trek: Generations. As it was cut from the filmed version, it cannot be regarded as canon. Though it does seem a logical possibility. --

207.6.171.24 02:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Borg Assimilation and Faster than Light Travel, Extra-Temporal Sensitivity
The assertion that the El-Aurians were assimilated by the Borg is a bit questionable. Officially, Species 8472 holds the honor of being immune to it. In all Star Trek Episodes and Generations, ‘El-Aurian’ and ‘assimilate’ are not located within the same sentence (unless I’ve missed an episode.) Despite what is presumed this minute difference does matter. The typical words are: destroyed, killed, murdered, devastated, and wiped out (?)

“He’s an El-Aurian, over three-hundred years old. He lost his entire family when the Borg destroyed his Homeworld.” -Doctor Crusher: Generations

“What you’re about to do is no different than when the Borg destroyed your Homeworld. They killed millions, including your wife and children.” -Picard: Generations

“There was a time when I wouldn't have hurt anyone. Then the Borg came and they showed me that if there is one constant in this universe, its death.” - Doctor Soran: Generations

“They killed my people, they destroyed my Homeworld” -Rough Quote from Guinan, various episodes dealing with the Borg, one which I believe came from I, Borg. As I have the episode, I’ll check it again.

Therefore my question is: Was the El-Aurian civilization assimilated by the Borg or is this just fan speculation? Some would assume the line gets hazy and go for the default, but we hear things that are not in context with what the Borg does. Picard and anyone of them could have used the term assimilate, but why didn't they? They all know what assimilation is; or was there Homeworld destroyed and its people scattered to the four winds as Guinan commented in the Best of Both Worlds.

Secondly El-Aurian FTL Technology. I've seen similar comments that if a trip is worth it they'll take it. I've seen others mention the idea of doing cover type stuff on Earth. But nowhere does Guinan indicate this in Time's Arrow. In fact, she recognizes what Data is and asks did her Father send him. It gives a couple of implications, one of which being that FTL is probably old Hat to them. And considering where they probably came from, why is Warp assumed? It's just as easy to speculate Transwarp, Quantum Slipstream, Warp Tunnel, etc... the possibilities are endless.

Lastly a noted El-Aurian ability, which is essentially Extra-Temporal Awareness. As Data speculated in Yesterday's Enterprise, Guinan's race has an intuition that supersedes the normal flow of linear time. The only problem with this is that we've seen three notable characters: Guinan, Soren, and Mazur, which is not enough to make a case for the entire race. They are a mysterious race and are so for a reason. In the 10 times that I have seen TNG Movie: Generations (not kidding, I've watched it way too much) Guinan did not say her Extra-Temporal Perception came from the Nexus. Now you are right that it was cut from the script- therefore it no longer becomes a part of cannon and therefore cannot be used.

Her words to paraphrase was that it is only an extra-dimensional realm that would make your greatest desires come true, joy, as if joy were something tangible. Upon being transported, they were ‘ripped’ away, and would have done anything to get back. (That much is cannon.) Secondly if the Nexus did this to her, then Picard should have those abilities as well; he isn't shown to have anything but his own abilities as a human in ST: Insurrection and Nemesis. In light of Mazur who didn't notice what was going on board Deep Space 9, it could be plausibly assumed that he's not an adult, or more so, is still an adolescent.

El-Aurians live for an unknown number of centuries. We have evidence of Guinan's appearance hardly changing except in clothing in Time's Arrow. Her appearance remained virtually unchanged between the mid-to-late nineteenth century and the late 24th Century. Applying this to Mazur, one could speculate that Mazur was entering adolescence. As for Q-Who with Guinan; that could be seen as a defense mechanism against preternatural beings such as Q. She doesn't demonstrate the defensive posture at any other time, unless I've misses something.

Still it's a thought, and though thoughts can't be placed on wiki, it bears some logical reasoning.

Move
It was requested that "El Aurian be moved to "El-Aurian". I think this should be uncontroversial, so I moved it. — Knowledge Seeker দ 22:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Ren Torles
A Google search for this alleged character turned up zero results, so I removed the references. I'm assuming it was a misplaced attempt at fan fiction, but if I'm wrong and it's a misspelled reference to a canon character feel free to put it back. Will the Great (talk) 03:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)