Talk:El-Khader/Archive 1

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Changes made by the last editor seem to be lacking in NPOV. Anyone object to a revert? Let Mateen try again with less bias? Michaeljhymowitz 21:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Is Al-Khidr the Islamic equivalent of Melchizedek? ThePeg 21:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Sufi mystic Ibn Arabi was said to have encountered Al-Khidr three times and that Al-Khidr was thought to have been taking an active role in watching over and mentoring him. Should this go into the article? ThePeg 22:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If it's sourced, sure.--Cúchullain t/ c 23:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Saint vs. Abad Salih
If Saint is someone who is "sort of" being worshiped aside from being a pious person, especially after death, then Abad Salih should not be translated into saint. Consider a literal translation as "Pious Slave" to be safe until you come up with an evidence. Thanks, Sdudah 04:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

al-Khidr
I'm no expert, but shouldn't 'Al-Khidr' be spelt 'al-Kidhr'? Es-won 22:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Not really. The Arabic letter &#1582; is a velar fricative, generally transliterated into modern English spelling as "kh".  The proper historical pronunciation of the Arabic letter &#1590; is an interesting linguistic problem (in dialects of Arabic -- as opposed to formal Qur'an recitation pronunciation -- it has generally been pronounced the same as &#1592; for a thousand years or more), but transcribing it into English as d with a dot below is a pretty much accepted convention. AnonMoos 00:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Khadir and the Irano-Hyperboreal Gnosis
From Henry Corbin, Spiritual Body and Celestial Earth (trans. Nancy Pearson, Princeton University Press, 1989, pps. 71-72).

"...That is why the progression, which this mode of thought makes it possible for us to conceive, is not a horizontal linear evolution, but an ascent from cycle to cycle, from one octave to a higher octave. A few pages from the same Shaikh, which have been translated here, illustrate this. The spiritual history of humanity since Adam is the cycle of prophecy following the cycle of cosmogony; but though the former follows in the train of the latter, it is in the nature of a reversion, a return and reascent to the pleroma. This has a gnostic flavor to be sure, but that is exactly what it means to 'see things in Hurqalya.' It means to see man and his world essentially in a vertical direction. The Orient-origin, which orients and magnetizes the return and reascent, is the celestial pole, the cosmic North, the 'emerald rock' at the summit of the cosmic mountain of Qaf, in the very place where the world of Hurqalya begins; so it is not a region situated East on the maps, not even those old maps that place the East at the top, in place of the North. The meaning of man and the meaning of his world are conferred upon them by this polar dimension, and not by a linear, horizontal and one-dimensional evolution, that famous 'sense of history' which nowadays has been taken for granted, even though the terms of reference on which it is based remain entirely hypothetical.

Moreover, the paradise of Yima in which are preserved the most beautiful of beings who will repopulate a transfigured world, namely, the Var that preserves the seed of the resurrection bodies, is situated in the North. The Earth of Light, the Terra Lucida of Manicheism, like that of Mazdeism [Zoroastrianism], is also situated in the direction of the cosmic North. In the same way, according to the mystic Abd al-Karim Jili, the 'earth of the souls' is a region in the far North, the only one not to have been affected by the consequences of the fall of Adam. It is the abode of the 'men of the Invisible,' ruled by the mysterious prophet Khizr (Khadir). A characteristic feature is that its light is that of the 'midnight sun,' since the evening prayer is unknown there, dawn rising before the sun has set. And here it might be useful to look at all the symbols that converge toward the paradise of the North, the souls' Earth of Light and castle of the Grail...." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.10.2 (talk) 18:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)