Talk:El Cazador de la Bruja

Maxwell's Demon
I believe that there is a saver lack of information in this article. On of the most prominent is the omission of Maxwell's Demon. This classic thought experiment is an intricate part of the story's basis. TrueFreedom2184 (talk) 00:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

There is no spoon fork
The recent addition of the fork reference, now labeled by Koveras as OR, obviously lacks citations and is, in my opinion, pretty far out there. It's certainly a lot less obvious than the Noir hotel reference. I'm voting to remove it. --Darkbane 03:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support, per nom. :D --Koveras ☭ 13:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Demographic
I support the removal of the demographic data, for AFAIK Bee Train's anime never clearly defines those (at least, neither Noir, nor Madlax did it). Unless there is a reliable source that claims EC to be a seinen anime, we should leave the matter open IMO. --Koveras ☭ 16:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The manga is seinen (it's serialized in Champion RED, which is a seinen manga magazine 1) and the article is for both the anime and the manga, so the demographic data is accurate. Kazu-kun 19:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahem, manga is also a fanservice to the extreme which is hardly the case with anime. Should we add "fanservice" to the genres, too? :) --Koveras ☭ 21:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the anime has some fanservice of its own, but lucky for us fanservice is not a genre. ^^ Kazu-kun 22:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm with Koveras on this. Unlike what seems to be used as the "norm"(basing demographic data on the original works i.e the manga whenever anime are adapted from it.), El Cazador is the other way round - being the manga adapted from the anime. Per above, Bee Train never actually defined these, prefering to walk the middle line. So what I suggest would be adding 'shounen' as more of stylistic indicator. If a third(or more) agrees with Korveras and myself, I support the removal of the demographic data for the time being. Sakura rin24 10:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Both, the anime and manga came at the same time. And adding shounen is just incorrect. Remember that this is a demographic categorization, and the only source for this is the magazine in which the series is serialized (it's not about "norm", it's just the way it is).Kazu-kun 12:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I support Kazu-kun in that EC is not shounen, but I also support Sakura in that EC isn't seinen, either. }-P --Koveras ☭ 13:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Koveras. Look, more consideration should really be put into it. Putting El Cazador as seinen isn't completely right either. Firstly, the anime came out first not the manga. The Champion Red page is still in OR status and Shonen would actually be more accurate as Aikita primarily does Shonen and Shojo. Sakura rin24 21:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Title translation
"El Cazador" means "The Hunter", specifically, a male one ("el" is a male article). "De la Bruja" means "of the Witch", specifically, a single witch, otherwise it'd be "de Brujas" (plural and without a definite article, "la"). "Witch Hunter", however, refers to someone who hunts generic witches in English, therefore I believe that "The Hunter of the Witch" is the more correct translation. --Koveras ☭ 13:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually both are correct.Sirynx77 08:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

"Witch Hunter" only works as a title if the intent is to be misleading due to it's strong assocation with killing witches, while "Hunter of the Witch" has the advantage of being much more open to interpretation, which fits the series better. Argel1200 (talk) 20:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

As per my above comment, I changed the text to read "Hunter of the Witch" and linked to the Witchcraft article. The main premise/motivation of the main antagonist is seeking out the lost power of the witches. That's pretty much the opposite of the goal of a witch-hunt (which is to snuff them out). Translating it to "The Witch Hunter" only makes sense if the goal is to confuse viewers. And if that's the case it should be cited and explained in the article. I don't think sending readers off to a page on Witch-hunts when the show barely touches on that subject helps them grasp the subject matter. Certainty Witchcraft is closer to the mark if something has to be chosen. Note that AnimeNewsNetwork lists |"The Hunter of the Witch" as an alternate title. Argel1200 (talk) 23:25, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm a native Spanish speaker, and fluent at English. The correct translation is "The Witch's Hunter". If it was "The Witch Hunter" it'd be "El Cazador de Brujas". With "la Bruja", it's being specified they're talking of a single witch. I'll edit the article accordingly. Also, "El Cazador", which apparently was phonetically written as "Eru Kazado" in Japanese, means just "The Hunter". --Canario23 (talk) 21:13, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Currently, the title is translated as "The Hunter of the Witch". But it allegedly refers to the two main characters' relationship. Provided this is true, wouldn't it be more accurate to write it as "The Witch's Hunter", as in "Ellis' Nadie"? I don't know if it'd be original research, as the translations otherwise seem equivalent. I can't seem to find a source for it, anyway.

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BetacommandBot 21:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The rationale has been added. I consider this issue to be resolved. I will remove the article tag.

Davidfstr (talk) 01:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Reviews
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The relationship between the heroines
Good afternoon. At first I wanted to put the Shoujo-ai genre, but I decided to ask here first. Is it possible to call this obvious and does not require sources? Or all the same their relations are on the verge of a fan-service and freedom of interpreting? As far as I can judge, at least one of the girls clearly has romantic feelings. Solaire the knight (talk) 09:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * What genre an anime or manga series is in will always be an interpretive claim based on someone understanding of that particular genre and presumption of the creator's intent. For this reason, a reliable source must always be cited. Also, there are already three genres listed and a fourth one is inappropriate and would not comply with MOS:A&M. —Farix (t &#124; c) 12:10, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Shoujo-ai is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of this anime "one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define", otherwise it would lead off as such in all reviews and news articles. Here's a review saying "On the other hand, the relationship between Nadie and Ellis- and it's really more like a sisterly one, this is not really a yuri show- WAS pretty believable, and actually sort of sweet" and this one just says action   AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:11, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, if the rules do not allow and there are sources for another opinion, then I retreat. I'm just used to the fact that El Cazador is considered the only part of the trilogy, where lesbian relationships are shown most openly. Solaire the knight (talk) 18:40, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I would like to point out that in addition to there being multiple sources that do refer to the series as a yuri (in addition to the show itself including scenes of romance between the two, as well as a love confession and a discussion of them being husband and wife), the manga is listed as shoujo-ai. I feel that given the split opinions, content of the show, categorization of the manga, and general public opinion about the series, it would be accurate to list the series as a yuri/shoujo-ai. There's also the matter of the line "Because I love the sparkle in her eye. Love." being from the dubbed version of the show, while the official Japanese subtitles translate it as "when her eyes are shining, that's the Nadie that I love". Not using the genre listing seems like being cautious to a fault rather than accurately describing the content of the show. Given that the page is already in need of edits, I think that the more accurate description of the genres could stand to be added in the next round of edits. Rachel 19:23, 25 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19C:4603:D220:CD76:ABA4:9098:F05F (talk)