Talk:El filibusterismo

Language
Please someone edit this article and insert the language in which this novel was written. I think it was written first in in castiliano, but I may be wrong. Dunwich 14:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes it was written first in Spanish. I can't see the part on this article where Simoun was persuading Basilio that it is wrong to aim for hispanization. Basilio wanted to use the Spanish language as a means to unite all the natives. Simoun pointed out that the hispanization of the people's customs is the destruction of the native's nationality.-Page 52- El filibusterismo; novela filipina ... . Rizal, José, 1861-1896 IsaLang (talk) 10:25, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit history
My bad... I trashed the article's edit history moving the article and re-direct contents around without using move. Maybe an admin can set it right. &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  03:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Doing it right now. Just waiting for El filibusterismo to be deleted to make way for this. --Pare Mo (talk) 14:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ...and done. --Pare Mo (talk) 18:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

wrong name
one of the charcter's name is wrong it is not Juli its Huli —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joboyaltar (talk • contribs) 12:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

It's J in original Spanish. Jumark27 (talk) 13:05, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Accuracy
This article was the object of persistent vandalism for a long period before it was detected. In some cases the vandalism was subtle, i.e. changing the spelling of names and so on. An editor familiar with the subject may wish to review the article carefully to ensure that it is correct and accurate. I have posted a maintenance tag to alert readers of the possible issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:36, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Plot
I rewrote much of the plot for the Noli Me Tangere and I'd like to do the same here in El Fili. I'm hoping to provide a more unified presentation. The two novels tell one story and has mostly the same characters.

Now, this article's plot summary is so bad, it's just painful: Basilio was a graduating medical student...at the Ateneo Municipal? The people were agitated by subversive posters...a few years (!) after the mock celebration? Really now.

Although I'll admit I'm having difficulties myself. I've read this novel exhaustively in college and even later on, but in trying to summarize I realize the novel wasn't really plot-driven; it was driven by characterization and back stories. Not all major characters have back stories. Some minor characters have massive back stories. Trying to reveal just enough detail about each character so it advances the plot is a bit hard.

What I have now is a rough draft of a plot. I double checked so it's consistent with the novel (i.e. no crazy inaccuracies such as what I've noted above) but anyone please feel free to polish it up.

My problem now is that I can't upload the thing. The page is semi-protected and I don't have the permissions required to edit this yet. So. Bummer. I'll be monitoring this page and when it opens up, I'll see if I can perform my edit. (But if in the meantime the quality of this article improves, then that's good too.)

Bahawman (talk) 14:01, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Finished rewriting the Plot section. I've had to leave out entire swathes of subplot and back story and focus almost exclusively on one track, the story of Simoun. The story of Cabesang Tales and his family and the Student Association subplot needs to be told too. Maybe under different subsection each. Bahawman (talk) 15:32, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

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Some minor changes:

1. On the line that said "a forested land owned by his family," I changed it to "a forested land owned by the Ibarras." Purely semantic choice, but I believe it underscores that Simoun had become a completely different character from the scion of the Ibarra clan that he once was.

2. On the line that said "a now-adolescent Basilio," I changed "adolescent" to "grown." If you think about how Basilio was 10 years old when we first met him in Chapter XV - The Sacristans of Noli Me Tangere and how El Filibusterismo is set 13 years after the events of the Noli, then Basilio should be 23 or 24 by now - hardly an adolescent which is generally regarded in the range of 10 to 19 years old.

3. I forget the exact line, but there was mention of Basilio being the heir of Capitan Tiago just a few lines afterward. He wasn't exactly Tiago's heir; at least not yet. He was definitely portrayed as an overseer of Tiago's estate, including his landholdings in San Diego which previously belonged to the Ibarras. Basilio at that point lived on his own means and did not draw from Tiago's wealth; later in the novel he is seen approaching his wealthier classmates regarding a loan to pay for his academic expenses, and immediately after his arrest presumably before Irene could doctor Tiago's will Basilio is said to have no money for bail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahawman (talk • contribs) 12:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

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The novel centers on the Noli-El fili duology's main character Crisóstomo Ibarra, now returning for vengeance as "Simoun". The novel's dark theme departs dramatically from the previous novel's hopeful and romantic atmosphere, signifying Ibarra's resort to solving his country's issues through violent means, after his previous attempt in reforming the country's system made no effect and seemed impossible with the corrupt attitude of the Spaniards toward the Filipinos.

The novel, along with its predecessor, was banned in some parts of the Philippines as a result of their portrayals of the Spanish government's abuses and corruption. These novels, along with Rizal's involvement in organizations that aimed to address and reform the Spanish system and its issues, led to Rizal's exile to Dapitan and eventual execution. Both the novel and its predecessor, along with Rizal's last poem, are now considered Rizal's literary masterpieces.

Both of Rizal's novels had a profound effect on Philippine society in terms of views about national identity, the Catholic faith and its influence on the Filipino's choice, and the government's issues in corruption, abuse of power, and discrimination, and on a larger scale, the issues related to the effect of colonization on people's lives and the cause for independence. These novels later on indirectly became the inspiration to start the Philippine Revolution. 152.32.98.127 (talk) 07:51, 28 December 2022 (UTC)