Talk:Elaine Luria

Only one child
the article says she has 3 children, but she only has one daughter - born September 2009. https://elaineforcongress.com/ (bottom of article) 68.231.27.254 (talk) 16:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'll look into this. The source we currently have in the article says "Luria and her husband, Cmdr. (Ret.) Robert Blondin, who retired after 27 years of naval service, have lived in Norfolk since 2000. With three children: Chloe and Claiborne (who are adults) and Violette (who is in elementary school), the couple plans to remain here..." Marquardtika (talk) 18:02, 24 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Ok, this source clarifies that she has 2 stepchildren and 1 biological child. I'll add that to the article. Marquardtika (talk) 18:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Content removal
I recently removed some content that was clear WP:SYNTH. We cannot combine two sources to reach a new conclusion. We also cannot use a voting record to claim someone has "one of the most progressive records in Congress". Similarly, content needs to be noteworthy and WP:DUE to be included in an encyclopedia, not merely reported in a reliable source. I removed the information about a visit to the Middle East as that type of information is not significant and does not have lasting significance for the subject's biography. It is also unclear whether the "Augusta Free Press" is a reliable source. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:39, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the notification on my talk page, . 1.) She campaigned as a moderate in 2018, built up a reputation as a conservative Democrat, yet has a progressive voting record when you compared her district and general partisanship in Congress per 538 (a reliable source since it's associated with ABC). This meets DUE. I should also mention ProgressivePunch currently lists her at 89.6% for her composite progressive score. I'd like to tweak and replace the content like this:


 * Congressional district
 * In the 2016 presidential election, Trump bested Hillary Clinton with 48% of the vote to her 45% in Luria's congressional district.


 * 2018 elections
 * She campaigned as a moderate in the primary and general elections.


 * Tenure
 * According to FiveThirtyEight's congressional vote tracker, Luria has voted with Donald Trump 9.9% of the time, which is about one-fourth of the predicted tally (36.2%) when factoring in the district's partisan leaning and general partisanship in Congress. Based on ProgressivePunch, an aggregator for progressive voting records in Congress, Luria has a composite progressive score of 89.6% and a crucial progressive score of 43.8%.


 * 2.) Also, how are you deciding what has lasting value? It's from a local paper, which isn't listed on perennial sources for obvious reasons. If you removed all local publications, we'd lose literally dozens of references from this page and probably tens of thousands from across the project. Semper et Deinceps, Nunquam Retro (talk) 20:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)


 * 1.) "Trump bested Hillary Clinton with 48% of the vote to her 45% in Luria's congressional district" is sourced to an article that does not mention Luria, and so using content from that and combing it with content from another source to reach a conclusion not stated by either is not allowed because it is a form of original research called WP:SYNTH. The sentence about being a moderate is currently in the "tenure" section, and so that would make sense to move up to the election section, but both of the sources are only passing mentions of Luria and neither actually calls her a moderate. Is there any better sourcing that can be found because the current information in the article is not even actually sourced?
 * For the FiveThirtyEight source, that is just a table of votes with with a few additional numbers at the top, and there is no context or prose, which makes it problematic to start using that to generate prose in the article. Not everything published in a reliable source is due and should be included (see WP:VNOTSUFF). Also, the "predicted score" says it is "based on Trump's 2016 margin" and not "partisan leaning and general partisanship in Congress". While I don't think the article is sufficient to show that the "predicted score" comparison is relevant enough to include (as not every comparison or table on FiveThirtyEight is due for inclusion), at the very least it would need to accurately reflect the source. Maybe instead "According to FiveThirtyEight's congressional vote tracker, Luria has voted with Donald Trump 9.9% of the time, which is compared to a predicted score of 36.2% based on Trump's 2016 election margin." For the "ProgressivePunch" website, that does not look reliable and looks more like a blog run by one or two individuals without sufficient notability to be included (and it's unclear how many involvement anyone has with the site anymore based on their homepage).
 * 2.) For the congressional visit, what reason do you have for a single trip to the Middle East being significant enough to include in a person's encyclopedic biography? As for the Augusta Free Press source, that also looks like some small online blog rather than a "local paper". It looks like it is solely published online and is owned by two individuals who are family members and describe themselves as editors. It does not look like they have any other full-time staff. They have four contributors, who all cover sports sections, and then a list of fairly random people for "additional contributors and guest columnists" . Virtually none of their articles on their site, including the one you cited, have bylines or any other information about who authors them, which is presumably the two editors/owners, which would also make it a self-published source with no actual editorial oversight. That would not even be reliable source for the information, much less to show it is important enough to include. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 23:54, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

SPA edits
I removed a number of changes by a recently created SPA. I removed changes that were poorly sourced, poorly worded, editorialized and WP:SYNTH, and kept the content that wasn't. If the SPA wants to add the content, they need to seek consensus for it here. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 02:27, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== There is so much wrong here. The Blue Ridge is not a combat ship nor is it nuclear powered, assault craft unit two isn't a combat billet for a CO, therefore she did not spend her entire career on combat ships. ==

While serving in the Navy and stationed aboard the flagship USS Blue Ridge, she earned a Master of Science (MS) degree in engineering management from Old Dominion University in 2004.[7]

Luria served as a Navy officer for 20 years, operating nuclear reactors as an engineer, where she rose to the rank of commander.[8] Luria was the first female American sailor to spend her entire career on combat ships.[9] She commanded Assault Craft Unit TWO, a combat-ready unit of 400 sailors, from 2014 until her retirement in 2017.[10] She held a Passover seder on an aircraft carrier after 9/11.[11] 2600:1700:2A24:C80:20FC:8DF1:5C5C:6A11 (talk) 16:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not know much about Navy ships, but I do know that our page for the USS Blue Ridge (LCC-19) calls it the oldest combat ship in the U.S. Navy. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:00, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

USS Anzio
There is no mention of her serving as the Executive Officer onboard the USS Anzio (CG-68) from 2013-2014 (https://www.odu.edu/news/2018/11/odu_alum_wins_seat_i#.YkJWUGQpAlQ). The preamble only mentions her commanding ACU-2, with no mention of being a female XO leading into her role as a CO. Any way someone with more current wiki savvy could add this, unless there is objection? We could add the hyperlink to Executive Officer (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_officer) as well as USS Anzio (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Anzio_(CG-68) ). Jgrizzy89 (talk) 00:47, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Correction: no mention of being the Executive Officer in her military career* section, not preamble. Jgrizzy89 (talk) 00:49, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Early life
Going strictly from what's in this article, it does not appear that Luria had a father or a paternal family. That seems unlikely, though. Given the amount of space given to her maternal family, does anyone have any info with which to balance this? I'll look around. Her participation in the January 6 subcommittee hearing almost certainly will "have lasting significance for the subject's biography." Dgndenver (talk) 07:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Based on her bio her father's name is Herbert, and you can see the back of his head here. Her parents are Jewish (Luria is a common Jewish family name, like Isaac Luria) and according to some sources, met at the same synagogue mentioned, Temple Emanu-El in Birmingham. I can only find unreliable sources for that info at the moment. Andrevan @ 14:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Here is one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/how-rep-elaine-lurias-faith-inspired-her-to-speak-out-on-israel-impeachment/2019/11/21/c11787b0-c9ad-11e9-be05-f76ac4ec618c_story.html Dgndenver (talk) 14:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Andrevan @ 20:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

NPR quote of Jan 6th Day 8 transcript substitution of “assert” for “usurp”
‘ “In the end, this is not, as it may appear, a story of inaction in a time of crisis, but instead it was the final action of Donald Trump’s own plan to usurp the will of the American people and remain in power,” said Democrat Elaine Luria, who co-led the Thursday hearing with Republican and fellow committee member Adam Kinzinger. ‘ The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/21/january-6-hearing-donald-trump-us-capitol-attack 2601:C2:D00:3CB0:ADB9:4B11:58F8:C124 (talk) 22:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * After seeing the quote as presented by the NPR citation of Luria's using the word, "assert" and expecting that she either misspoke herself or was erroneously represented in the transcript as using a word that meant almost the opposite as what she'd intended, I presumed she said or meant, "usurp." I found the quote in the New Republic, and it and the Guardian, as reflected here, had it right. I've corrected the record and used the NR citation before seeing this preceding text. Activist (talk) 05:55, 25 December 2022 (UTC)