Talk:Electro house

Some disruptive editing
I have noticed a large amount of unnecessary deletion which I believe classifies as disruptive editing. The main thing I have noticed is the deletion of a citation pointing to Reddit in the Dutch House sub-entry, claiming it is "not [a] reliable source in this context", when there was another citation pointing to Reddit elsewhere on the page being used in the same context, among other unnecessary edits. I would greatly appreciate it if these actions stopped. Thank you for your time. Kavy32 (talk) 03:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It was not at all a reliable source. A reddit page some guy on the internet created describing dutch house as "electro house on helium" is not a reliable source for anything, let alone what dutch house is "often known as". I could create a page on reddit, or indeed a guide to electronic music claiming that speed garage is also known as "the worst music in the world", but we don't add that to Wikipedia. - filelake shoe  &#xF0F6;   09:32, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You're missing the point. It's not that the source was unreliable. It's that there was another source of it being used in the exact same context elsewhere on the page (and it's still there) and it went completely unmentioned. besides that, there are other disruptive edits. Kavy32 (talk)


 * Was that a source you provided? And also, in explaining the real point of your statement, you neglected to fully mention what your point about that source is. If you don't like the source being anywhere in the article, then go ahead and delete it. I suggest you Be BOLD. But I think the real issue is that you're not expressing yourself so that we can adequately understand.  Lighthead  þ 06:50, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No, it was not a source I provided, it was there at the creation of the sub-entry. I am deleting it right now. Kavy32 (talk) 03:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Some points to expand
There's a piece I really want to add to this article's history: Tocadisco's remix of the Egg getting on the Citroen C4 advert, D.Ramirez's remix of Yeah Yeah winning awards, and Call on Me (Eric Prydz song)... no sources can deny that they're "breakthrough hits", just very few explicitly call them "electro house". Not sure whether using sources like this + a wikilink to the song article where the genre is sourced amount to WP:SYNTH - filelake shoe  &#xF0F6;   09:44, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I used Beatport as my reference for early tracks. Here's a Beatport release calling the Tocadisco remix electro house, and here's one for the D.Ramirez remix. I couldn't find Call On Me on Beatport, though. - Diskonnection (talk) 11:49, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Complextro
This particular subgenre should probably be added to the article. It currently has a page, but that is on the brink of being deleted and I don't believe it needs an entire page, atleast not yet. A small paragraph or too on this page would be fine. -R4c7 (talk) 17:56, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. - Diskonnection (talk) 22:04, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I also just resurrected the sourced content from the deleted fidget house article to here, including finding the "evaporated" DJ mag link to the Jesse Rose interview. - filelake shoe  &#xF0F6;   09:40, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Crookers is not complextro
Just because that article said so... Crookers is distinctly fidget house and otherwise pure electro house. Would someone like to give me a source other than the cite used that shows they make complextro? Because they don't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.105.39 (talk) 09:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I think I saw Crookers listed on Reddit's r/Complextro, so that's why I added them under the subgenre. The source is cited on the page. I think you're right, though, so I'll remove them from the list. — Diskon (talk) 20:07, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Samples
Please don't add samples of tracks more than 30 seconds in length. I honestly didn't check if such rule or policy exists, and I'm not presuming only because many other articles feature samples of 15-20 sec length. But for me as a reader, it would be very uncomfortable to wait 2 minutes just to understand or to have an idea about a certain genre. Nothing is wrong with your tracks, so please don't get it wrong. But if you could trim them down to the essential (just as editors trim the text from sources in most cases), that would be splendid. Thanks, 24.201.216.214 (talk) 18:01, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The reason why the other samples are less than 30 seconds is that they are copyrighted. File:The Nip of Fire - Plane.ogg is copyleft. They are not shortened because it's better for the reader. I think it's better to have a complete track for big room as the most typical part of a big room track is its structure (drop, breakdown...). Do what you think to be the best. Ftiercel (talk) 08:27, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Um, I don't think that the very first demo sample, which was created by the uploader, is in any way more copyright-protected than Gartner's "Fire Power" excerpt. But of course, I might be mistaken because, like I stated above, I don't know the policy (if any). Also, I was speaking out of my personal would-be experience, as in, I wouldn't for one listen to the whole track just to understand the subgenre it is supposed to demonstrate. I think 15-30 seconds, maximum 1 minute, is quite enough for that, unless we're talking about demonstrating several subgenres (or fusion genres) with one track. Finally, of course it is but my humble opinion, however, knowing the history of this article (and how it has already been deleted twice because of repetitive and useless information dumping), I'd say that should you add your track again, it will probably be deleted from there one day or another. 24.201.216.214 (talk) 10:17, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I confirm you. File:Bigroom house demo loop 15 sec.ogg is copyleft. Ftiercel (talk) 08:50, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I know. I made it. 24.201.216.214 (talk) 23:29, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Two Points
Firstly the definition of big-room is all wrong, completely ignoring those tracks such as Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike - Mammoth. Just because it has a melodic drop doesn't make it progressive house; in fact those tracks are closer to electro house than progressive house.

Secondly, although I don't believe moombahcore is a hardcore subgenre, there doesn't need to be a citation. The genre takes influence from dubstep, techstep, gabber, and breakcore, and you can kind-of transition that into it being a hardcore subgenre. On a side-note thought the citation for the influences is a broken/removed link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.187.186.170 (talk) 18:47, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Requested move
Electro house → Electro-house – for the page name to be more specific. Rmdl2006 (talk) 05:52, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Melbourne bounce
Something must be done to describe this subgenre. Also, I'd like to point out that this article is always a mess on this WP, don't understand why (other EDM-related articles seem to be fine). It keeps being deleted and brought back, stuff goes missing etc. Can't we do an effort to properly categorize this thing, especially now that Electro house has been in prominence for the last 10 years? TY Spaceinvadersaresmokinggrass (talk) 06:20, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I think this is mostly due to the fact that electro house is quite a catch-all term. There is so many difference between big room, complextro and moombahton. Actually, there are so few things in common... Ftiercel (talk) 05:56, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Origin of the term 'Melbourne Bounce'
It should be mentioned that the term Melbourne Bounce is derived from the variant form of dancing derived from Melbourne Shuffle, but with more airtime enabled by a slower beat moving the melbshuffle from less shuffling to a bouncing movement with dance-steps more resembling those of swing adornments and various jumping/bouncing variants of the melbourne shuffle. The less hardcore/slower ED music also sometimes called Melbourne Bounce (albeit often being just modern EDM) variants got its name from the dance-moves, not vice-versa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.220.238.80 (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Subgenres
Why don't all genres have they're own article page though they are very different (bigroom, moombahton, complextro...) and I also think is a good idea adding Melbourne Bounce as a subgenre — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andresbfarrera (talk • contribs) 04:10, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. But it's already the case for Moombahton. Ftiercel (talk) 13:11, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Top DJs
Hello! Let's limit mentions of DJ Mag Top DJs in the lead section to only those in the latest top ten. This will give a more objective snapshot of popular artists than just picking favourites, I think. How does that sound? –Diskon (talk) 04:17, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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Discussion about electro house origins
I've started this discussion here: User_talk:Andrzejbanas, so if anyone is willing to share their knowledge on topic please do. The History section right now is awfully lacking, lumping together 90s precursors, the whole french thing, italian influence, deadmau5, omitting 2002-2005 and thus completely looking like Feddie Le Grand's hit popped out of nowhere in 2006. Where's electroclash discussed in the article? Nowhere to be found. Where's mid-late indie/rock influece listed? (take The Presets as the example) Nowhere. So many issues with this section. 178.121.42.120 (talk) 10:37, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The article is mostly preoccupied with Big Room, Aoki, Melbourne Bounce, Moohbahton and other pop-EDM phenomena of the early 2010s and late 2000s. Granted, electro house was at its peak during the time and indeed birthed all these fancy styles and producers like Big Room and Aoki. But leaving the origins section, one gives the pop-EDM phenomena undue weight, and one unsophisticated reader may get impression that the late 2000s boom is when electro house properly started, when in fact there was almost a whole decade of development before that boom. 178.121.42.120 (talk) 10:43, 23 February 2024 (UTC)