Talk:Electrolux Ankarsrum Assistent

Hook versus roller debate
Why is this section even in the article? Most actual users of the machine will probably explain that the roller/scraper is used for any "normal" dough, while heavier and larger types dough may need the dough hook. I've never needed the hook, even though I own one. Khim1 (talk) 19:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Questions
Interesting device. Can anyone address these questions?

Why?
Why does the bowl rotate rather than the implement? Was this a deliberate design decision for some theoretical benefit, or was it just a random choice that they've stuck with? Do any similar mixers work similarly?
 * Look at the history we page(s). The original model was a variation of an industrial model.  It was scaled down to be sized and styled to be cosmetically appealing for the consumer market.
 * LP-mn (talk) 19:49, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess one advantage is that the machine can be fairly simple yet powerful, since it's doesn't need any complicated transmission mechanisms. The bowl has no moving parts and is easy to wash. Khim1 (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * One of the reason is that the machine can output more momentum with less noise.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.64.41 (talk) 10:48, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

What for?
I can see some advantage to kneading bread doughs. Are these appliances favoured by a culture with lots of home baking?
 * These have been very popular home machines in Sweden for many decades, and part of the popularity may be due to the very high reliability and consistent backwards compatibility. The many attachments have clearly contributed to this popularity, since mincing meat, making sausage and making apple sauce are all popular over here. Nowadays, weaker but more stylish alternatives like KitchenAid seem to be gaining over the Ankarsrum (my own observation). Khim1 (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

I can't see this machine used at high speed. So how do lighter cake batters work with it? Can this appliance whisk those too, or is a conventional mixer needed instead?
 * Yes, it does work with cake doughs. Where it "shines" however is for those people who want to move on from a all-in-one bread machine, but do not want to knead bread dough; one might say that this is a "cadillac" solution to kneading dough.  Please note that this is my OPINION.  I've never bought one (mine is a hand-me-down), so I don't know if its price is also in the "cadillac" range or not.
 * LP-mn (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It does work with cake dough, but what the OP is asking sounds more like whether it works for batter. It does have whipping bowl for that kind of thing - the "double beater" in the article. Khim1 (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Where?
Are these used in Sweden? Commonly used? Do Swedes use conventional mixers too? The English wouldn't need them (too lazy to bake) the French wouldn't need them (baking is an artisan skill). Have the Irish tried them? Do Finns and Norwegians use them too?
 * Can't help you there.
 * LP-mn (talk) 20:01, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * This machine is, or has been, very popular in Sweden. Of course we use hand mixers as well. Cooking and baking at home is very common around here. Khim1 (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

What else?
The Electrolux page shows an old ad with a juice squeezer, so I presume the bowl is removable and can be swapped. Thinking of the Kenwood Chef and its slow-speed implements, are there also meat mincers, pasta machines and coffee grinders for this?

Thanks for any further information Andy Dingley (talk) 12:33, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are plenty of attachments. Look at the right hand side, you'll see what 4-wheeler's call a "Power Take Off".  It's another place to add other implements, such as sausage grinders and so forth.  Again, check the other links.
 * LP-mn (talk) 20:03, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * For most attachments, you remove the bowl and put the machine on its side. In some of the pictures, you can see the three points serving as "feet" when the machine is lying down. The drive for these accessories is the low-speed one located at the center, below the bowl in the pictures. There is also a high speed blender drive that ends up on the top of the machine when it's lying down. You can see the plastic cover for this on the right-hand side in some of the pictures. Khim1 (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 16 December 2014

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. No consensus. Number  5  7  11:13, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Electrolux Ankarsrum Assistent → Electrolux Assistent – The manufacturing location isn't part of the product name. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:03, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

That would be an error. Electrolux currently has ZERO involvement with the Assistent. HOWEVER, people who know about the Assistent, owners and so forth, continue to call it the Electrolux Assistent. (Not quite the same thing as calling all photocopies a "Zerox", but close enough.)
 * PERHAPS the article would have been better named the Ankarsrum "Electrolux" Assistent (notice the quotation marks); THIS would be a good subject to debate.

While it is technically wrong to have the Electrolux name in the title, deleting it entirely would also be misleading, and contrary to common usage. LP-mn (talk) 19:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


 * If Electrolux had a long involvement with the Assistent, then I think Electrolux Assistent is justifiable. Otherwise Assistent (mixer) meets WP policy, but is perhaps less recognisable.  Assistent alone is too vague, even though it's not a English word.
 * I don't see why "Ankarsrum" is in there? Is that a form that's used in common speech? Andy Dingley (talk) 20:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ankarsrum is the current day company, in Sweden, that makes the Assistent. BTW, I just found out that Ankarsrum USA is owned by Bread Beckers, so perhaps that company should be listed in the external links.
 * LP-mn (talk) 21:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Are Quotes, Parentheses and/or Italics allowed to be embedded in an article's title?
I now think that one of these three titles (WITH the formatting): ...or a combination there of, would have been the best title for this article.
 * Ankarsrum "Electrolux" Assistent
 * Ankarsrum (Electrolux) Assistent
 * Ankarsrum Electrolux Assistent

Unfortunately, I never thought to find out if and how such formatting could have been embedded into the Article's title.


 * Does anyone know if and how it could be done?


 * I could support a move to a page with one such formatted title.

LP-mn (talk) 02:36, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * For the first two cases, a WP:MOVE is all that is needed. For the third, WP:MOVE it to (with no formatting) and add one line at the top:   More on that at WP:DISPLAYTITLE. BTW  is invalid HTML - valid forms are  and  - I altered the two above to the latter, but a forced line break is unnecessary, since the indenting includes a line break. -- Red rose64 (talk) 08:33, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

OK then, I nominate a combination move and format to a new titled page called: LP-mn (talk) 12:23, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ankarsrum (Electrolux) Assistent
 * Why would we have both Ankarsrum and Electrolux in the same title? We can have either, using a redirect, but to use both would be a mis-representation as there was no time when both company names were used together.
 * If the question of maker's name is so fluid, then how about Assistent (mixer)? Andy Dingley (talk) 12:32, 19 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Like it or not, most people are accustomed to referring to it as the Electrolux Assistent. (No, I can't cite a source.)  However, this is technically wrong, and has been for years now.  In fact, owners of older Electrolux models can allegedly still purchase accessories that will fit their machine, BUT those accessories will be branded as Ankarsrum.  So, in a particular kitchen it really is possible to have one machine with two brand names on it.


 * It may not be a nice and neat fit with editorial rules, but using both names does fit in with reality.


 * (BTW, what's involved in finally getting a "Decision" as to when to make a MOVE happen?)


 * LP-mn (talk) 00:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Encyclopedic?
I'm not sure if this is properly "Encyclopedic" (sp?) or not, but I went ahead and inserted this into the Article:
 * {One source claims that all sizes of bread doughs can be started with the roller and scraper, but that only rather large sized mixes will need the bread hook.}

I'll leave to others to decide if it's appropriate to keep/modify, etc.. LP-mn (talk) 20:19, 18 December 2014 (UTC)