Talk:Electronics industry in Japan

Consumer electronics in Japan
This page is in dire need of expansion and a good clean-up, I needed to do a project on this topic and this page is not very useful at all. Wikiuserman (talk) 18:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoever added all the citation needed tags clearly did not read the LOC report that this entry is based on...Jlee562 01:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

This article is outdated (from 1994), a lot has changed since it has been written. The Japanese electronics industry is downsizing. Keep in mind the article I'm linking to is from 2007. There is also the recent reported losses, the Japanese electronics industry is past its era of dominance, I think this needs to be reflected in the article. --Aizuku (talk) 05:22, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Old info is old
This article is full of old info that dates back to the 80s and early 90s. Since then foreign competition (chiefly Korea and Taiwan) and the decade long stagnation -See: Lost Decade and Economy of Japan- has since eroded Japan's dominant market share. This is no more evident than in Semiconductor sales leaders by year. This article needs to be brought to the 21st century, where Japanese electronics companies while strong and innovative are no longer the dominant players.

I suggest adding a new section, here is what it could possibly be like. All what's in my mock-up section is collected from news articles and well cited. --Aizuku (talk) 11:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Effects of the Lost Decade and following recessions on Japanese Consumer Electronics Industry
The Japanese electronics industry is downsizing. , the Japanese electronics industry is past its era of dominance. Low cost -which at one point was a key strength in Japan's competitiveness- of Korean, Taiwanese and Chinese electronics, helped erode Japanese companies market share outside Japan. Tougher S. Korean competition will force more Japanese companies to consolidate. Dropping demand inside Japan, after the Japanese asset price bubble's collapse and the following Lost Decade. The Japanese semiconductor industry declined by 15% in 2009. Particularly after the Q3 2008 collapse of the digital consumer market, the industry collectively lost more than $5.5bn by the end of March 2009.

Japan while still a major global player in the semiconductors industry, the market share Japanese players held has long been eroded. See: Semiconductor sales leaders by year‎
 * Sony-Ericsson, worldwide marketshare dropped from 7.2% in 2007 to 4.9% Q3 2009
 * Panasonic (then Matsushita) sold its entire stake in JVC which then merged with Kenwood forming JVC Kenwood Holdings on October 1, 2008..
 * Panasonic acquired Sanyo.
 * Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic, Fujitsu, Sharp , NEC and Toshiba reported losses amounting to ¥2 trillion.
 * Sony sold its fabs to Toshiba who is in talks about a joint fab with NEC.
 * Sharp acquired 15% of Pioneer.
 * Pioneer withdrew from the Plasma display business.
 * TDK, a subsidiary of Imation, reports first loss in seven years, will cut 8,000 jobs.
 * Oki Semiconductor became a part of ROHM Group effective October 1, 2008.
 * NEC and Renesas signed thier contract at the end of July 2009, with an eye to integrating operations by April 1 2010.

Refrences
--Aizuku (talk) 12:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I think this is very good and by all means should be added to the article to update and better it. The only question I have is what is the relationship between the semiconductor industry and the consumer electronics industry because the status of the former is used to emphasis the status of the latter. I'm sure there is a reason its just not clear to someone without the proper background. お疲れ様でした Elite Honour (talk) 07:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Analysis of the Consumer Electronics Industry in Japan
I've found this resource that includes numbers discussing the decline of the Consumer Electronics Industry in Japan, maybe it could help with improving and updating the article. --Aizuku (talk) 10:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It's not just CONSUMER electronics
Template:Japanese Electronics Industry includes a number of B2B companies that don't directly cater to consumers. Although I once suggested removing them from the template, I now think that it's better to expand this article to include all fields of electronics because the Japanese electronics industry has shifted its focus from consumer to other fields, notably industrial electronics, and many companies remain competitive in their markets. For example, Mitsubishi Electric is generally considered a consumer electronics company, but its engines of growth are power electronics and factory automation, among other things. Also, many Japanese companies export materials, components, and production machines to Korean and Taiwanese electronics companies. Please take this into account. --Shinkansen Fan (talk) 02:05, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, if I wasn't busy with my research plan I would work on this article more. Japanese electronics companies are critical to the livelihood of companies all around the world. This was obvious after the earthquake where many companies suffered supply shortages of parts made by Japanese companies in Japan. --Aizuku (talk) 16:02, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Refer to the Industrial Structure Vision 2010 in English (full report, Electronics and IT sectors, Functional Chemical sector (p.190) in Japanese) if you are interested. --Shinkansen Fan (talk) 04:56, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, Manufacturing_in_Japan is a fairly small section and should be expanded. When large enough and good enough, it should be separated into its own article.  At that point a merger with this article might become a good idea but not until then.  Jim.henderson (talk) 21:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I too have changed my mind. Better if we think first and then write, but anyway I now think the first order of business is to broaden the name of the article, either to Electronics in Japan or Electronics industry in Japan. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd go with the latter. It's the same as the template name. We also have Automotive industry in Japan. We can write the up-to-date information here and add a summary of that to Manufacturing_in_Japan.--Shinkansen Fan (talk) 12:04, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved per request and rough consensus Kotniski (talk) 14:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Consumer electronics in Japan → Electronics industry in Japan – (similar to the Automotive industry in Japan). This article should discuss not only consumer electronics but all other fields of electronics. Many companies of the Japanese Electronics Industry don't directly cater to consumers. Shinkansen Fan (talk) 05:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment why not just create a new article for the more general topic? 65.95.13.213 (talk) 08:03, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply For now, I think it's better to consolidate information into one place, and cover lesser-known fields: heavy electric machinery, precision machinery, opitics, mechatronics, electronic components, and the like. I'm not sure that there are many English sources though. Perhaps Japanese sources are better. We should avoid making a clone of this article or Manufacturing in Japan.--Shinkansen Fan (talk) 13:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Then you're going to have a very unbalanced article if you can't find that much on the rest of the industry. So it would appear better to have a separate article, to prevent an unbalanced presentation. WP:NOTPAPER, there's no restriction on the amount of articles you can write. 65.95.13.213 (talk) 03:56, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been holding back in hopes others may join, but it hasn't happened. No, I don't see a problem if there's only enough good writing to fill a paragraph or two about industrial electronics, broadly defined.  Would that small amount of text be better as a tiny WP:STUB article than as a modest sized WP:SECTION?  Not that I see.  If, on the other hand, we someday get enough prose for fifty or a hundred paragraphs on industrial, military, scientific and other non consumer electronics, that's the time to decide whether the national electronics article is WP:TOOLONG and should be split by topic.  Jim.henderson (talk) 03:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * There is some untranslated material that can be transferred from the Japanese page discussing non consumer electronics. Hitachi, Toshiba, and Mitsubishi Electric are coming back strong 電機大手７社：回復明暗　東芝、日立最高益　新興国需要で－－３月期, after the global economic crisis, and this page should reflect the recent trend. I'm beginning to think that each article of electronics companies should be improved first. For example, Mitsubishi Electric is poorly written but deserves much better.--Shinkansen Fan (talk) 07:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Copyedit needed
This article has several issues, but the most important one is that it seems to be full of untruths.

The article claims "Sony was founded in 1946 by Masaru Ibuka and Akio Morita and rapidly advanced in the electronics field. The invention of the pocket transistor radio placed the company at the forefront of electronics development, both in Japan and worldwide." That sentence reads as if Sony invented the pocket radio - which is incorrect according to another Wikipedia article coupled with a pic of the TR-1 box:
 * The Regency TR-1 was the first commercially manufactured transistor radio.
 * Two companies—Texas Instruments of Dallas, Texas, and Industrial Development Engineering Associates (I.D.E.A.) of Indianapolis, Indiana—worked together to produce the Regency TR-1.
 * TR-1 boxes - note how the boxes say "pocket transistor radio"

The grammar is also in need of some work. I will come back tomorrow and have a look to see if any work has been done to correct anything - if not, I will start chopping out the rubbish. Chaosdruid (talk) 17:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)