Talk:Elemental

Proposed merge
The recently created article on Elemental magick is basically a more extended description of what the standard elementals are, plus an idiosyncratic definition of what it means to work with elementals. I would prefer to see information on elementals collected in one place, not scattered about under article names few people are likely to search for. Maestlin 21:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Undine Homeric?
The entry for Undine says it's Germanic. --Scottandrewhutchins 19:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Encylopaedia Brittanica says that Undine was first written about by Paracelsus, based on Greek Nereids. I guess it got incorporated into Germanic myth from there. Puddingpie 18:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not "Homeric" or "Germanic" - it was invented by Paracelsus just like "sylph," which I suppose makes it more Paracelsic than anything. Sylphs, gnomes, and undines were all invented by Paracelsus - only "salamander" was a preexisting term. He did draw on traditional concepts including Nereids to create the idea of these spirits, but that's not the same thing as "undines are Homeric" Tarchon 00:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Germanic terms
"water people," "mountain people," and so on,

There are only four terms. Why not enumberate them all? Goldfritha 19:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Feel free. Tarchon 19:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Auslegung von 30 magischen Figuren
Does anybody know anything about Auslegung von 30 magischen Figuren and this well circulated woodcut allegedly from it? I've seen this attributed to Paracelsus by Manly P. Hall, but Hall's record for reliable citations is (IMHO) not good. Just from the title alone it doesn't sound like a Paracelsus work and Sudhoff doesn't seem to know of it, even as a "spurium". At the very least "depicted by Paracelsus" can't be accurate - I doubt that Paracelsus in addition to being a physician, alchemist, and philosopher was also an accomplished woodcut artisan in his spare time. Tarchon 17:04, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

See this - http://users.vianet.ca/~grizelda/fur/MFC.html - I think that illustration is Dante's Geryon or the Revelation beast, not a salamander. Tarchon 20:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk header
Goldfritha - I take it that since you posted the "talk header" after my post that it's intended for me? If so, in what way do you think discussing the verifiability of an illustration in the article is not relevant to improving the quality of the article? I think if you talked to any qualified medieval art historian, they would confirm that the above illustration was almost certainly not intended to be a salamander by the original artist. The person who put it on Wiki (probably) pinched it from Manley P. Hall's Secret Teachings of All Ages which is widely available and unfortunately full of mistakes a lot like this. I mean it's a great woodcut, but it's just not a salamander. Tarchon 01:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Edit
Guys, I'm serious. Sylphs are encountered quite frequently in fan media. I mean on deviantART, there are 286 results for the query "sylph wind" (without quotes), 167 results for "sylph" on Elfwood, 121,000 image results for "sylph" on Google, and 852,000 web results on Google.Squibbon (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

additional elements
Aska of light, Shadow of darkness, Gaia of nature, and amatterisue of ether. as per some game, tales of phantasia i think, there is also maxwell, a non-element that is the combanation of the primary four, earth, fire, wind, and water, spark, of electricity, and luna, of the moon. i'd say spark and maxwell were rather created by nameco, but luna might hold some ground. magnetism and gravity??? i havent heard any names associated with them. God has always been the mind, being omnipresent and omnipotent, only such a thing can the mind do within it's immagination. Elementals are cool.
 * >_> No other elementals just from popular fiction should be in the main article. However, I think that there should be a section for books, video games, and the like which involve these elementals, the Tales series being one of them. Ravenwolf Zero 17:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

BEC really?
Unless someone wants to explain why Bose-Einstein condensates are linked here, I'm cutting it. Ethan Mitchell (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2012 (UTC)