Talk:Eleonora de Cisneros/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Aza24 (talk · contribs) 21:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Will begin in the next few days Aza24 (talk) 21:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Prose

 * The first paragraph of the lead is noticeably choppy; and far too many sentences in the lead as a whole start with "she". For example She was a singer for the Metropolitan Opera company. She became one of their key singers. can be combined into one sentence; as can During the early twentieth century she performed at all the major opera houses in the United States, Cuba, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand. She also performed in South America and Russia.
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * "singing in plays" – "plays"? Are we sure? = Yes. War play "Out There" for the Red Cross, found in The Stage Year Book
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Would recommend putting sources for the "October 31, 1878" date next to the sentence, to show that (I'm assuming) more sources use that as her birthdate
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The early life section reads choppy, in similar ways to the lead. Mainly because every sentence either begins with "she" "her" or "Cisneros" – can we try some variation here?
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:07, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * You have quite a few dup links in the body text; I recommend installing this script to find and address them easiest
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * link the Metropolitan Opera company in its first mention in the text
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Cisneros was the first American trained opera singer the Metropolitan Opera company hired – this seems especially notable; I would consider mentioning it in the lead as well
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Link Die Walküre – it's also the only opera you don't have the composer's name for?
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * and she became a key singer.[10] Cisneros became their key contralto singer from 1906 -1911 – (should use this – dash btw) surely this is redundant, unless she was first a key singer and then a key contralto singer, but what was she a "key" for originally?
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:47, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * In fact all the "a key singer" seems rather vague, what does that mean? Is this the phrasing the sources are using?
 * ✅ Used terms of source. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:38, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * all of the "the opera" and "the operas" are all clutter; you already make it clear she was an opera singer, working for an opera company and in many operas
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Cisneros performed at the São Carlos National Theatre in Lisbon, Portugal, the Teatro Municipal theatre in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil... maybe try semi-colons throughout this sentence? The double commas can make it confusing, e.g. "...in Lisbon, Portugal; the Teatro Municipal theatre in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil;..." ?
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The later life section seems a little lacking on information. Surely there's more known about her performing career in Europe 1920–29?
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * "G" to "C" is rather vague, could we try some Scientific pitch notation?
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The works section as a whole is a little odd:
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:21, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Its about her recordings, so why not title the section "Recordings"?
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:21, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I see no real benefit with how either of the images here help the reader
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:21, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The lyrics are out of place; they aren't by her and they overwhelm the page. See WP:NOTLYRICS] Aza24 (talk) 08:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:21, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Overall

 * Refs look good
 * The other images look fine
 * The article is neutral & stable
 * The research seems to be all there (other then a little lacking in the "Later life" section, but the overall prose needs a bit of work, even for GA standard. The main issue is that there are too many sentences beginning with "She" "Her" or "Cisneros". While not inherently bad beginnings to sentences by themselves, there extreme repetition results in a robotic, choppy like tone. This is mainly an issue in the "Mid life" and "Early life" sections.
 * I may have to read through this again after the above issues are addressed Aza24 (talk) 08:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Putting this on hold
 * --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:48, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * All issues have been addressed. Can you take another look. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work here, passing now. Aza24 (talk) 04:32, 23 December 2020 (UTC)