Talk:Eleventh chord

Talk:Eleventh
See discussion regarding Eleventh chord content at Talk:Eleventh. Hyacinth (talk) 03:39, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

pictured common practice resolution of V11
Is there any example of this in actual common-practice music? The common eighteenth-century dissonance of V7 and V9 increase the dissonance over V by adding tritones and ninths, and V13 keeps the tritone of V7 usually. But V11 forces the suppression of the leading tone that would seem to reduce its dissonance, and make it no more acceptable as a dominant substitute than the minor dominant would be. Double sharp (talk) 15:27, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

omitting the third
One paragraph says that, due to major diatonic eleventh creating a dissonance with the third, "including the third is a rare phenomenon". The other paragraph says that "a less common solution to the issue [compared to lowering the third or sharpening the eleventh] is to simply omit the third in the presence of the eleventh". The two clearly contraindicate (and the first one seems to be sourced better). DariusPayne (talk) 20:45, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I removed qualifications like "rare" and "less common" and made the text treat all options pretty much equally. Well, I rewrote the whole thing to read clearer. 193.65.0.198 (talk) 19:09, 13 January 2022 (UTC)