Talk:Elfern/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 10:50, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the ✅ tag to state when something is addressed.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

 * It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
 * It contains copyright infringements - Copyvio comes up clean Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include,, or large numbers of , , or similar tags. (See also ). - no CNs Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 10:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. - No signs of edit warring Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Lede

 * Lede is very lacking. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "An old game that's very easy and enjoyable" - hardly WP:NPOV is it? Also not attributed. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * also known as Eilfern, Figurenspiel or Elfmandeln - probably better as a note Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , is a very old - not encyclopaedic. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * German and Austrian 6-card, - Infobox says German. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Could the lede sentence specifically say this is a card game? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * French-suited Piquet pack or German-suited Skat pack - WP:SEAOFBLUE Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The object is to win the majority of the 20 honours: the Ace, King, Queen, Jack and Ten in a Piquet pack or the Ace, King, Ober, Unter and Ten in a Skat pack. - what? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * yet it is still played by German children - competively? Surely it's played by anyone who knows the rules... Is there a community for this, or? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Lede needs a little more, and much better wording Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

History

 * Elfern is a primitive German game - put card game in there. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)
 * Should we just assume we know who Hammer is? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "played in many parts of Germany, albeit not very commonly" - is this quote important? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * in 1862, as "the simplest drinking game", the winner of the majority of honours, earning the "right of drinking from the glasses of his opponents." - this will need some better explination. I have no idea what this means. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * When mentioning a person, you should use their full name on the first mention, such as David Parlett Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Although Parlett states that the game was "not recorded before the nineteenth century", - huh? The previous sentence talks about it being referenced in the 1700s. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It is still played by German children. - As per lede. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Elfern, formerly also called Eilfern, is German for "playing Elevens", and Elfmandeln is Austrian and Bavarian German for "eleven little men". - the word "translate" should be in here somewhere. Should also link Bavarian German. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thus both names - "thus" is more like WP:OR. Does the cite say this? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * . Figurenspiel is also German and can be roughly translated as "honours game - outside of the lede, this name isn't used, it needs to be stated. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * This name evidently refers to the fact that only the court cards plus aces and tens contribute to the score - OR again. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

Comments

 * Automated note - If you fancy returning the favour, I have outstanding GA nominations that require reviewing at WP:GAN. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these, however it's definately not manditory. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:17, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sadly, this won't pass. I'll add a few more comments above which you should take a look at. The crux of this fail is that I couldn't find a sentence that I was happy with for the first three paragraphs. I feel this article is far too close to the subject for it to be a GA, it needs to be readable by all. I'd suggest editing as per the above advice, and giving it a copyedit before re-nominating. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)