Talk:Elgin, Illinois, Centennial half dollar

Image of Rovelstad sculpture
Hello - Several weeks ago, I had added a photograph of the Rovelstad sculpture to this article. Subsequently, I learned that this may have been a copy vio due to the fact that the sculpture was so prominently featured in the image. I have taken another photograph (shown below) and this one includes the sculpture but it is against the backdrop of downtown Elgin. Any thoughts on the use of this image?

File:RovelstadPioneerFamilyElginIL.png

Thanks KConWiki (talk) 04:52, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Also - I don't know if this link will be of any help in determining the appropriateness of inclusion of one of these images - "The Pioneer Family Memorial was selected as one focal point of Elgin's multimillion dollar Riverfront Redevelopment Project, and the Pioneer Family Memorial sculpture photograph has been used in promotional material for the Elgin Area Chamber of Commerce and the Elgin Parks and Recreation Division. A medallion of the Pioneer Family Memorial Dedication Ceremony was chosen by the City of Elgin as a 2001 Holiday Gift to its employees. The medallion was a replica of Rovelstad's Pioneer Family and was sculpted by St. Charles artist, Guy Bellaver. ".

Thanks KConWiki (talk) 05:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm OK with it, because I am reasonably certain that during all those long years Rovelstad published enough details of the sculpture, plus its use on a coin, to put it in the public domain, but you might want to talk to Crisco1492, whose objection during the FAC led to the original image's removal.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:25, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Regarding the various uses since 1990, those probably don't help us unless we know exactly why they felt they could use the statue in that way (permission from the Rovelstad heirs, or they may own the copyright, or it may be PD). The game changers could be what he did pre-1978 in distributing literature showing the model and even the plaster statue before it was bronzed.  Does the Elgin library have his papers?--Wehwalt (talk) 10:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The sculpture itself though is a different artistic work, which is why I took issue with it at the FAC. One might be able to make a de minimis argument for this picture, though I think it's borderline at best — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:57, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * How about one that shows much of the park, with the sculptural group (not quite centered, please) in the mid distance and downtown Elgin behind it? There is some discussion of the park, the argument is we are illustrating it, and, well, we can't help there's this big statue in the middle of it, without time travel?--Wehwalt (talk) 12:02, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments - I will see what I can do, either with a new picture, or through cropping one of the ones I took. FYI, it's not exactly a park, it's a riverwalk (i.e., very narrow). To get that angle, I had to stand on the bridge, even though the image is cropped to not show any water. Anyhow, let me see if I can come up with a similar image where the statue is not so centered. Thanks KConWiki (talk) 12:37, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * @Wehwalt: That would probably work. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * All right everyone - What do we think about this: File:RovelstadPioneerFamily FoxRiver Elgin IL.png ? Thanks KConWiki (talk) 02:24, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that would fit de minimis. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:52, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Is it worth asking the folks at the graphics lab on Commons to see if the sculpture could be made less in shadow?--Wehwalt (talk) 13:28, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you want to do that? I haven't done that before... KConWiki (talk) 02:11, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Illinois, Centennial
Just wondering, is the comma meant to be there? Simply south...... disorganising disorganisation for just 7 years 19:39, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's not wonderful but it's how sources generally refer to it.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:41, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

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