Talk:Elias Chacour

Israeli Authorities' Eviction of Chacour
This is historically impossible. He could not have been evicted by "Israeli authorities" in 1947, as there was no State of Israel then, nor any entity with the power of eviction other than the British Mandate. If someone could ascertain who evicted him, this could be made more accurate. 68.127.190.254 (talk) 16:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)G. Froymovich68.127.190.254 (talk) 16:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Nobel Peace Prize nomination

 * He has received many international peace awards and been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize on three occasions.

Being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize is an honor, but it is not official or even prestigious. Any national legislator or about a third of the university professors in the world can make a nomination, and there have been as many as 140 some years. Nominators are requested to keep their nominations secret, so it's only those wishing publicity who make announcements, and more often it is impossible to verify. I see no reason to keep it. No offense to the subject, this is a general Nobel Peace Prize "nominees" issue. -Will Beback · † · 08:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Palestinian
I'm sorry to see that an editor attempted to remove Palestinian references from this article. Please note that Archbishop Chacour was born in British Palestine in 1939. This makes him Palestinian by birth as well as by self-identification. Terribly sorry if some people find this an inconvenient truth. Majoreditor 05:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
This article still reads more like a press release than an encyclopedic work. And the final quote is far too lengthy. Please feel free to wikify and enhance. 18:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

controversial views
this piece is far from NPOV

Chacour is a controversial political activist. An officer of a highly controversial [political activist group, Sabeel. That needs to be brought forward. Calling oneself a "peace" activist cannot override the demonstrable fact that one is a political activist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morningside Clio (talk • contribs) 22:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality
This page desperately needs some sourced material. I just added a references section. Nothing in the body of the article appears to be sourced at all. As is common in articles on controversial topics, going to the history revealed that at least one sourced article from a reputable albeint partisan organization (in the Middle East, there are no non-partisan organizations) had been deleted. I restored it.

It is also very biased. I agree with the coment above from Morningside Clio.Whig historian (talk) 22:01, 5 March 2008 (UTC)Whig historian.


 * The article needs substantial improvement; at present it's incomplete, under-referenced and poorly written. But honesty, you'll find far more material supporting and praising Chacour than you will criticizing him. Hence the reason he receives honorary degrees from places like Emory University, which isn't exactly a hotbed of radical Arab sentiment.
 * In any case, your comments and edits are useful and appreciated. I suspect that the "Controversial Positions" section will morph into a "Reception in the World" section later this year as other editors add material. And I suspect that most of the material will be from notable sources who have a very different opinion of Chacour than those held by James Berkeley. Cheers, Majoreditor (talk) 22:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Teaching and Peace Advocacy
in the section on the Mar Elias schools, I replaced a section asserting that the schools have a student body "representing all major religions and ethnicities in Israel" because I can find no evidence onthe schools web pages to back it up. Whig historian (talk) 03:01, 6 March 2008 (UTC)Whig historian


 * Note: Whig Historian was found to be a sockpuppet associated with Morningside Clio and has been blocked. Majoreditor (talk) 19:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I have visited the school, in person, they have no Jews there, only Christians and Muslims, so I agree with this commnet. He does, however, invite Jews to do charity work there, meet with him, etc. 68.127.190.254 (talk) 16:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)G. Froymovich68.127.190.254 (talk) 16:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Going forward
This article has far to go. In its original form it was an uncritical haliography. Mrningside Clio and his sockdrawer took the opposite approach, riddling it with unneeded request sfor citations and by selective presentation of material; for example, what he chose to present from the Emory Magazine article rather than the a balanced representation of what the article reported. Due to BLP concerns I have removed some of his edits.

As it stands now, the article is woefully underdeveloped. The article would also benefit from a balanced, holistic section on his reception in the world. While Chacour is widely admired in many quarters he has indeed been criticized by some. Both of these perspectives should be presented. Does anyone wish to make a go of it? I will be happy to assist later this year. Cheers, Majoreditor (talk) 16:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Plagiarized from website of Chacour's organization
Large portions of this article as it stands now were plagiarized, verbatim (with a few interpolated passages), from the website of Elias Chacour's school.

Read the original text here:

http://www.meei.org/who/abuna.html

It seems reasonable to assume that the author(s) of the wikipedia piece don't cite its sources in order to conceal the plagiarism.

By the way, the bit about the Nobel Prize nomination, a dubious honor at best, is touted on his school's website.

Adam Holland (talk) 17:47, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Image needs replacement
Hello all...

An image used in the article, specifically Image:Abuna small.jpg, has a little bit of a licensing issue. The image was uploaded back when the rules around image uploading were less restrictive. It is presumed that the uploader was willing to license the picture under the GFDL license but was not clear in that regard. As such, the image, while not at risk of deletion, is likely not clearly licensed to allow for free use in any future use of this article. If anyone has an image that can replace this, or can go take one and upload it, it would be best.

You have your mission, take your camera and start clicking.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 00:51, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Forensic Evidence of the War Atrocities at Jish as accounted by Elias Chacour
Is there forensic evidence of two dozen bodies being hastily re-buried in honorable graves, wounds & ammunition ballistics indicating British [or other] issue weapons fired by Zionist [or other] military units? 71.166.1.226 (talk) 05:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup and removal of POV header
I have cleaned up and referenced questionable sections of the article. I don't see remaining issues so am going to remove the header for now - perhaps this is unduly BOLD? hgilbert (talk) 12:20, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Removing it was appropriate; thanks for your recent contributions.
 * The long quotes by Chacour at the end of the article are a bit POV and contribute little to the article ; perhaps they should be trimmed or removed? Majoreditor (talk) 15:33, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've trimmed the second considerably. The first seems quite suitable - it would only be a violation of NPOV policy if it was atypical, which it is not. hgilbert (talk) 18:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

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