Talk:Eliezer Gruenbaum

Yevishovitz
The name if this village/town is clearly misspelled. But I am reasonably sure it refers to Jawiszowice. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:59, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably Yiddish (rendered in English letters) and not a misspelling.Icewhiz (talk) 03:38, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * In Deutsch - Jawischowitz per dewiki. Yiddish to English uses Y (and not J), and w goes to v. The e after the Y is possibly out of place - seems to be more uses with Ya - e.g. this book.Icewhiz (talk) 06:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Given that Jawiszowice is close to Auschwitz and has a coal mine, I am pretty sure this is the right place. (It's interesting, actually, we had lengthy discussions about using German names for many places sharing Polish-German history, nobody ever to my memory mentioned Yiddish names, and for many of those places they are also relevant). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:21, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Most Jewish Holocaust survivors (and hence - much of the literature written from a survivor POV) used the Yiddish names and refer to the place names in Yiddish - and this gets reflected into Hebrew and English sources. e.g. - Eishyshok (google books) outhits (well, I brought one that I knew would "win") Eišiškės google books. The Yiddish is, however, often quite close to the German (transliteration aside).Icewhiz (talk) 10:47, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Collaborator?
Re:. From kapo: "The Israeli Nazi and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law of 1950, most famously used to prosecute Adolf Eichmann in 1961 and Ivan Demjanjuk in 1986, was originally introduced with the principal purpose of prosecuting Jewish collaborators with the Nazis.[30][31] Between 1951 and 1964, approximately 40 trials were held, mostly of people alleged to have been kapos.[31] Fifteen are known to have resulted in convictions, but only rough details are available since the records were sealed in 1995 for a period of 70 years from the trial date.[31] One person was convicted of crimes against humanity, which carried a mandatory death penalty, but the sentence was commuted to imprisonment.[31]" And the kapo article itself is in Category:Collaboration during World War II. Regardless of the trial, it is not disputed he was a kapo. If you disagree with the argument that all kapos are collaborators, I recommend removing the relevant category from the kapo article and starting a discussion on talk of that article. PS. As a possible constructive compromise, I propose creating a Category:Kapos and using it here instead of the disputed category. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:19, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That seems like a reasonable compromise. The issue here is that collaboration in this case is a criminal offense that Gruenbaum was tried and not convicted of. Catrìona (talk) 04:32, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The Israeli courts (and prosecution) mostly viewed low-level kapos, serving under duress, as not guilty of the Israeli collaboration crime - very few were tried, let alone convicted. A Kapo cat would be a factual compromise - if applied to known kapos. Icewhiz (talk) 06:34, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, then the only thing we need is a list of 3+ kapos for a category (since I don't think we can have a category for a single article...?). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:58, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that's required (I think there are cats of 1), but - Ernst Krankemann, Arthur Dietzsch, possibly Alma Rosé, Anne Spoerry. Icewhiz (talk) 11:21, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:Kapos during the Holocaust. Icewhiz (talk) 11:33, 16 December 2018 (UTC)