Talk:Elijah Bond

Ticking Time Bomb? What is this, "24"!?
I must admit I was shocked to come upon this page and see a deletion tag with the proviso "The article may be deleted if this message remains in place for five days." This is not how deletions are decided. One engages in a community discussion as to whether the article should be deleted or not.

While I do not know enough about Elijah Bond to improve this article, as a historian I appreciate that this article was here. I came to the Wiki to get preliminary information on Bond. I guess I am fortunate that I came within the extremely short 5-day window of opportunity!

The problem is that if we start to define notability in terms of page visits, frequency of those visits, and the visitor's understanding of editing to remove "time bomb" templates (and their free-time for doing so) then we capitulate to the mentality created by the decline of, at least, the underfunded United States educational system (although I realise the English wiki belongs to Britain, Australia, Canada, etc. as well) and the global corporate climate. Valuable historical information is lost, while pages like "Coca-cola" and "Britney Spears" become longer and longer in their comfortable cocoon of "notability". In the end, as most people rely on mainstream media for information, and the fewer and fewer people are able to access the historical record to penetrate the spectacle or the similacrum the Wikipedia will just be a reflection of shared global corporate knowledge and the brilliance and diversity of human knowledge will be lost. Indeed, Wikipedia needs its niche organisms as much as it needs its top-chain Coke and Britney predators.

Elijah Bond invented the Ouija board - an object that became a highly lucrative corporate product in itself, despite the fact that the patent was co-opted by the now more-remembered William Fuld. While it is true that the Ouija board is not the Steam Engine or non-Euclidean Geometry, its invention/inventor still has had a sizeable impact on culture. Almost everyone in Western culture(s) has played with a Ouija board at some point (even Christians who are scared of the things).

If, IF! one were to decide this page should be deleted, at the very least one would add all the information to the Ouija Board page (where Bond is only just mentioned) and create a fitting redirect.

Also, Strothra (the placer of the time-bomb) should have written to each person who had contributed to this page and apprised them of the time bomb s/he was placing on this article. Then cases should have been argued on a separate page. This isn't "24" and readers aren't Jack Bauer. And it isn't up to one person to decide to delete an article based on their own time-frame.  S a u d a d e 7  13:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that the article should be kept, and you've done it just right - removing the proposed deletion tag and discussing it here. However, if references are not added to the article, then it's possible that it may still be deleted by way of the Articles for Deletion process. In Strothra's defense, the article hadn't been touched except by a bot since (ironically) 14 November 2006, so the prod tag (for presumed uncontroversial deletions) didn't seem that unreasonable. That's also why anyone can remove it.


 * The concern, I think, is that there aren't reliable sources that document the facts presented in the article. I agree that Mr. Bond is notable enough for inclusion in the encyclopedia, we just need to prove it. ZZ Claims~ Evidence 13:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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