Talk:Elisabeth of France, Queen of Spain


 * 1) REDIRECT Talk:Élisabeth of France (1602–1644)

Marriage
It seems to me that there is an obvious mistake in the section about the two french spouses meeting their respective spanish counterparts. It is right that Elisabeth and Anne of Austria met on the Pheasand Island but Louis XIII was not present because he greeted Anne at her arrival in Bordeaux where the french royal wedding took place the 21 november. Also, it seems dubious that the future Philippe IV have been present on the exchange of the two princesses. I think there is a confusion with the meeting of Louis XIV and his future wife Maria Theresa of Austria who actually took place on the Pheasand Island. I excuse myself for my bad english, i'm a french user. Ruyven. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.97.183.126 (talk) 06:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Name
The most common English language name for this woman is Elizabeth of France. The current name, Elisabeth of France is a compromise between the most common name and the French name Élisabeth. If the person who is trying to francophonize the entire English language Wikipedia doesn't accept the current name as a compromise, I will advocate moving this article to Elizabeth of France, where it belongs according to Wikipedia policies and conventions. Surtsicna (talk) 11:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Surtsicna, why must you always place yourself as the "decider" in a discussion? You are an adult speaking to other adults, not to young school children sitting in front of you at their desk, totally intimidated & terrified at opening their mouth in fear of being reprimanded or thrown out of the classroom. What you say may be right, but you put it in such a authoritarian fashion: "If you do not do as I say (paraphrasing you, of course)... I will advocate... etc." that it eventually leaves other contributors no choice but walk out of the discussion or of Wikipedia, which may be your goal.


 * One of your often-used abbreviation addressing contributors who do not agree with you is POV. Well, after all the discussions we have gone through, the feeling that is beginning to creep upon me is that you have a definite negative POV against anything that is French. I may be a little too sensitive, but that is the way it is hitting me.


 * If it is so important for you to remove an accent aigu on a French first name, why don't you do something to the unpronounceable Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatini? I am certain it has an English counterpart that would be more comprehensible to English-speaking readers who have no idea what to do with h r v and those *c* with little butterflies & accents aigus flying upon them.


 * This is just a remark not intended as the beginning of a long argumentation as I have other things to do, and which does not matter, as you will do as you please anyway, but I had to get it off my chest.


 * Frania W. (talk) 15:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, most of your comment belongs to my talkpage, but I will respond here since you asked here. I do not understand your first point; all I said is that Elisabeth is a compromise and if other users do not agree with that compromise, I will not advocate using Elisabeth - I will advocate using the most common name, which is Elizabeth. I do not say Elisabeth (as you assume). I say Elizabeth, but since you say Élisabeth, I thought Elisabeth is a compromise. I just want to know whether or not you accept Elisabeth as a compromise; I will not "throw you out of classroom" (?!) if you don't. I don't understand how you have no choice but to walk out; you can walk out, but you can also agree or disagree with the compromise and discuss if you disagree.
 * I understand that you get the impression that I have a negative POV against anything that is French, even though I don't. If I did, would I care about any France-related article? Hedwig of Holstein has nothing to do with France, yet we had a discussion there. I have always advocated using the name which is most commonly used by modern English language sources. It so happens that most articles that don't use English names are France-related articles; that's okay unless there are perfectly valid, accepted and common English language names. Of course, there are examples other than France-related articles. For example, the article about the penultimate Bosnian king should not be titled Stjepan Tomaš or Stefan Tomaš because most English language sources call him Stephen Thomas.
 * Regarding Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić, I try to stay away from Croatia-related articles as much as possible. I do understand what you mean, however; Elisabeth does not full satisfy either of us. I can stand seeing Elisabeth of France instead of Elizabeth of France. If you can't stand seeing Elisabeth of France instead of Élisabeth of France, we'll discuss with the community. Can you?
 * Finally, the last paragraph is a little bit mean. I may be a little too sensitive, but that is the way it is hitting me (especially the part you will do as you please anyway). I have never done as I please if somebody opposed. If what you said were true, I would have moved this article to Elizabeth of France (1602–1644) long time ago. Surtsicna (talk) 21:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)