Talk:EliteXC: Street Certified

Re: Notice of deletion
Card is relevant as Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbott is a match fans have wanted to see for a long time. Visit any message board and see how many views threads about Slice and Abbott get. It won't be pretty, but it will be damn entertaining. Shame on the mod who said this wasn't note worthy! :) Also, EliteXC is the second largest MMA promotion in the US, behind the UFC.  They are aired on the Showtime cable network and the entry of Elite Xtreme Combat sees plenty of traffic.  Their shows deserve individual entires just like the UFC shows. (Udar55 (talk) 05:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC))
 * How exactly is that in line with the policy Notability? Discussion boards aren't considered to be the reliable sources all Wikipedia articles need. Can you provide any references which are independent of the organisers and sponsors of this event which prove that it is notable? If not, this isn't notable. --Nick Dowling (talk) 05:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Nick. Go to the List of UFC events page and question the noteworthiness of each event. Seriously, this subject may be outside of your expertise, so you should probably consult editors from the WikiProject Mixed martial arts.Leondegrance (talk) 13:20, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm very tempted to do exactly that. I don't see how these sports fixtures are notable when most individual matches in more popular sports (as measured by ticket sales and TV ratings) aren't considered notable. For instance, how is an individual UFC event more notable than a 5 day cricket test matches between national teams, which rountinely leds to tens of thousands of ticket sales (hundreds of thousands for popular games in the largest grounds) and has a TV viewing audience in the tens of millions? (or even hundreds of millions when India is playing). Articles aren't created on cricket test matches because they're fairly routine and their results can be summarised in articles on the test series, and the same seems to apply here. --Nick Dowling (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh man, I actually dare you to try and remove the UFC pages. Seriously, what is your beef?  People (including myself) have worked hard to maintain that list and enjoy using Wikipedia as a reference for fans who support the sport. (Udar55 (talk) 00:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC))
 * In short, because I think that these articles are an example of 'fancruft' as they cover non-notable topics which are only of importance to the sport's smallish fanbase (at least according to the figures quoted at Ultimate Fighting Championship - about 775,000 TV viewers is pretty small compared to the audience for major sporting events). I completely agree with your comments on many of the albums articles are written on lacking notability, but the worst offenders are generally deleted. --Nick Dowling (talk) 01:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * General This is coming across as WP:ITSCRUFT as you picked the lowest figure there last on there, the latest was 1,050,000 which isn't bad for a bi-monthly, a lot of WWE stuff would fall under this bar, also I believe they are only the US, not international figures.
 * The event in question includes Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbott two notable fighters (notable well before this match) so should pass general notability guidelines. --Nate1481(t/c) 11:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: AfD
My 2 cents: the page could be cleaned up a bit with a couple more sources, but it comes nowhere near failing notability guidelines. Nick Dowling is obviously well-intentioned, but doesn't appear to be knowledgeable of the subject matter. I'll get to work on cleaning it up. Good start to the article. Gromlakh (talk) 02:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

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