Talk:Elizabeth Berkley

Berkeley and "Showgirls"
Has "Showgirls" really ruined her career? Aside from Mark-Paul Gosselaar being on "NYPD Blue," how have the rest of the former cast members of "Saved by the Bell" really been "more successful"? In fact, I'd say the only reason Berkley even gets any film roles anymore is because of the notoriety she got from the film. Otherwise, she'd be as washed up and forgotten as the rest of them. I don't know how we could incorporate anything to this extent in the article here, since it really is widely presumed that the film "ruined her career," but I thought I'd just put it out here --Damiel 12:18, 4 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I think the point is that Berkley is the only one of that cast who has been hired to front a mega-millions major motion picture, thus making her the only one to have been given the OPPORTUNITY to even HAVE one - and then that opportunity was squashed because of how bad the film was. Pacian 06:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Plus the fact she can't act.

WRONG!!!!!!


 * Paul Verhoeven said in 2015 that he told Berkley to act in an abrupt manner in "Showgirls" as her character was supposed to be unstable. (86.144.85.47 (talk) 10:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC))

This thread
is worthless without pics.

Quote
The quote is that of a character she played; not the actress herself. Further more, it is a pointless quote. -Camknows

Personal Life
I haven't found anything about her becoming a drug addict and doing hard core porn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.190.188 (talk) 04:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Her listed place of birth, Fort Durrange, Michigan, is questionable. If you Google Fort Durrange, Michigan all you get are references to Berkley. I'm also a lifelong Michigan resident and I've never heard of the place. Goosman99 (talk) 14:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC) she was in porn?--67.32.195.191 (talk) 23:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Age
How old is she? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.185.168 (talk) 11:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * She is thirty-three years old. I have referred to an interview with her in which she states this fact several times - and that IMDb has her age wrong, which every other website takes her date of birth from, thereby spreading false information - but someone keeps changing it. The link to the article is here: --Le David (talk) 13:44, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, David. Her being born in 1974 makes the following article quote make sense: "In 1982, at the age of only eight". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.140.96.54 (talk) 04:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

(talk)she was not born in 1974 she was born in 1972 because she was a high school graduate in 1990 at the age of 18 she's 44 Le David (talk) 09:07, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * People skip grades all the time. This is especially common with child actors. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 21:09, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

On the site Intelius, she listed at 51. So she was born in 1972 ! https://www.intelius.com/results/?firstName=Elizabeth&middleInitial=&lastName=Berkley+&city=&state=ALL&age=49 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB1D:9301:F600:783D:A69C:2E7F:23F5 (talk) 21:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Age thing continues.
All I'm going to say is please get her age right. And kind of change the whole article a little bit. She was not born in 1972. She was born in 1974. It's messed up to tell the whole world a false age. So, if you get my point. Please correct that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.235.171 (talk) 11:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The interview where she explains that she was born in 1974 is still available, but someone keeps linking to IMDb instead, ignoring the fact Berkley herself gave this interview.Le David (talk) 13:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * she was not born in 1974 she was born in 1972 because she was a high school graduate in 1990 at the age of 18 she's 44 (talk) 07:39, 18 July 2017 (UTC) As noted before, people skip grades all the time. This is especially common with child actors.
 * Based on her own statement + the WP:RS added 9/24/23: July 28, 1974. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 12:09, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Year of birth
Berkley herself has said she was born in 1974. (86.149.6.91 (talk) 20:17, 5 July 2017 (UTC))
 * How would she know what year she was born? Additionally, actresses have a motivation to prevaricate about age.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klaun (talk • contribs) 01:03, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * A look at older sources seem to indicate that she was born in 1972. A search on Google for sources about her before Oct 31, 2001 seem to unamiously agree she was born in 1972.  (1)  For example, this article published in People in 1995, states her age is 23.  Placing her year of birth in 1972.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klaun (talk • contribs) 01:13, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

she was not born in 1974 she was born in 1972 because she was a high school graduate in 1990 at the age of 18 she's 44 (talk) 09:33, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, obviously some folks dispute that. I'd say at a minimum the article should reflect that the sources are mixed on the year of her birth.  I'm not sure the year of her high school graduation establishes her age.  Klaun (talk) 01:42, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Klaun (talk) i figured out that she was 17 going on 18 when she graduated from Farmington High School in 1990 she was  to be born in 1972 she didnt leave high school in 1992 she was 20 in 1992 at 17 you graduate high school it has to be changed to 1972  man    (talk) 04:11, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * References exist for both years of birth. Interesting info above, but you don't provide a reference.  More references would be good.  Also, formatting this thread would make it more readable, at least for me.  Klaun (talk) 02:37, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Klaun (talk) ok here's an article that said she was born in 1972 http://gazettereview.com/2016/03/happened-elizabeth-berkley-news-updates/ (talk) 07:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It also says she was 21 in 1995. I'd have to question a source's reliability, if it contradicts itself. Klaun (talk) 20:19, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * She could have graduated high school at 16. (2A00:23C4:638D:D500:48A5:A6CC:8598:6A1 (talk) 08:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC))


 * Changed the article to reflect the ambiguity about her age and created a note in the article to that effect. As far as I can see, RS disagree about the year she was born and her age.  Until there is a consensus, I think competing edits are probably unwarranted.  Also, it seems like a single Talk section on the subject should be sufficient. Klaun (talk) 21:49, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Supposed Wikipedia:Policy on children of celebrities
An edit was made to remove sourced info on a child of the subject of the article. I reverted since the information was sourced and pertinent to the article. My reversion was reverted by the reverting editor. User:ScrapIronIV If there is such a policy, please link to it. If not please put the material back in the article. If material is source, pertinent, and doesn't violate a Wikipedia:Policy, I see not reason not to include it. Klaun (talk) 19:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Feel free to go to WP:BLPPRIVACY, WP:NPF and WP:BLPNAME. This has been discussed at length, and a interesting discussions can be found here and here.  Respecting the safety and privacy of minors is an important issue. Happy editing!  Scr ★ pIron IV 19:21, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:BLPPRIVACY is about primary sources, so I'm not sure how it is relevant to the edit in question. Also, info that falls under WP:BLPPRIVACY needs to be reported to the Oversight Team, did you do that in this case?  WP:NPF does not prohibit use and in fact says it can be with caution.  Similarly with WP:BLPNAME.  The linked discussions seem contentious and I think it is a stretch to say consensus was reached in either case.  I'm not sure what the goal of excising the information in question is, it is not about privacy.  If there was a concerted attempt by the individual in question to keep this information private, I can see why editors would go out of their way to remove or obfuscate it.  This is not the case here.  Also, I'd point the edit didn't just obfuscate names and dates of birth, it excised the fact that Ms. Berkley had a child altogether other than from the infobox.  Klaun (talk) 20:16, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Complete removal was an error on my part. I am not certain how I managed that - it was not my intention. I will reinstate it, along with the publicized name. In this case, the subject herself announced the name publicly.  In this case, the only bit I will remove is the date of birth. Thank you for your persistence. Cheers!  Scr ★ pIron IV 20:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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Birth Year
Can we please stop changing her birth year to 1972? In a 2008 interview with Newsweek, she stated she was thirty-three and that her birth year on IMDb is inaccurate. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 21:06, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for a definitive statement like that? --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 17:22, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I see the source that indicates she was 33 years old in 2008. Thanks--but there's no need for an allcaps comment in the infobox... --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 17:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I wrote it in all caps because people kept reverting the change, even after I explained that Berkley herself has stated she was born in 1974. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 21:37, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Another age topic
Sorry to bring this back up, but her high school yearbook is on Classmates and she's listed as a senior of Calabasas High School in 1990. I also checked the 1992 yearbook and there's no Elizabeth Berkley in there. There's also a Los Angeles Times magazine from July 2012 that said she had just turned 40.. Also a couple People magazine articles from late 2020 have 48 listed as her age.

While some celebs do graduate a year or two earlier, if they do, they'll usually say so. I did see that interview from 2008 where she said that she was 33. I don't wanna outright say that she's lying about her age, but that's not uncommon for celebs to do so. For instance, Octavia Spencer admitted she lied about her age when she turned 50 a few years ago. Kcj5062 (talk) 08:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Update: Found a few newspaper articles from the 90s. They were published in May 1996, August 1996 and April 1998. Which respectively list as her age 23, 24 and 25. Which all match up to a 1972 birth year. And this was a time when journalists were less likely to copy information from internet websites. I'd be surprised if they're any newspaper articles from the 90s that actually supported the 1974 birth year. I think I'm gonna remove the DOB from the main page for the time being.


 * There's a WP:BLPN discussion currently underway about this issue. I'll offer here what I offered there. In an informational conflict, the WP:BLPSPS is a contentious source. The others indicating 1972 require math (reading into what the source doesn't say, and adding that number to the day and month from another source) and don't provide a full date. The info should stay out, lacking a good source for the full date. JFHJr (㊟) 21:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Celebrities lie all the time, but we can't assume that every celebrity is lying all the time. The individual in question is the most reliable source when it comes to information like her date of birth. She also cites her own birth certificate. I'm inclined to say that she lied about being older, probably in the hopes of landing auditions for more "adult" roles. Regardless, unless we're going to assume that every piece of information supplied by a celebrity is fraudulent, then we ought to go with the 1974 birth date. Howard Hawks Survives (talk) 07:16, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No, if you look at WP:ABOUTSELF, it states "(people) may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities ... so long as there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity". Here, there clearly is. Black Kite (talk) 10:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll just note here that, farther down the page from the WP:SYNTH reference, it explicitly states that math to calculate ages is permitted (though the point about combining month/day with year from two different sources may still stand). Floatjon (talk) 19:37, 22 March 2024 (UTC)