Talk:Elizabeth Boleyn, Countess of Wiltshire

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Another Boleyn Child Just read a bio on Mary Boleyn by Alison Weir that said that Mary and Anne had a brother born about 1500 whose name was Thomas who lived until 1520. There is no listing on Wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.127.106 (talk) 15:31, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

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There is no portrait in existence identified as Elizabeth Boleyn. Boleyn (talk) 11:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

This article's title has been moved about a bit. I'm happy as it is, but User:Proteus moved it in May to the Wiltshire title only. I asked the user for clarification on his/her reasons, but didn't receive a reply. However, when it comes to the peerage, Proteus does seem to know what he/she is doing. I suspect it was because one title is Irish and the other English? It would be good to get some clarification on this. Boleyn (talk) 16:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Ormond not Ormonde

 * Ormond was spelled without the e up until the 17th century, so the name should be changed.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Move to Elizabeth Boleyn, Countess of Wiltshire

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:29, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Elizabeth Boleyn, Countess of Wiltshire and Ormond → Elizabeth Boleyn, Countess of Wiltshire — Her husband's earldom was not Earldom of Wiltshire and Ormond. Those were two different earldoms. His article is titled Thomas Boleyn, 1st Earl of Wiltshire, not Thomas Boleyn, 1st Earl of Wiltshire and Ormond. Elizabeth was Countess of Wiltshire and Countess of Ormond, but not Countess of Wiltshire and Ormond. The current title is incorrect and there is no reason to stack all peerage titles in the title of an article. Should we add Viscountess Rochford to the title of the article as well? Certainly no. The title we should use is her highest one, the one she held as the wife of an English peer. Surtsicna (talk) 23:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support We have Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall even though she is also Duchess of Rothesay. Although you could have problems in some cases deciding which is the more important of somebody's titles. PatGallacher (talk) 12:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. The Earldom of Wiltshire was separate from that of Ormond. It's confusing to readers with its present title.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:53, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. &mdash;innotata 17:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Seems straight forward.  Skinsmoke (talk) 20:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Boleyn Children
Is there a source for the names and years of birth for all of the children listed? The birth years of her surviving children are not known, let alone those of any deceased siblings. 109.78.246.143 (talk) 01:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * They were added without a source. I am removing all save the three which are documented as having reached adulthood.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

“Lady Elizabeth Howard”?
Why are we still referring to her as “Lady Elizabeth Howard” on several pages? Yes, her father became a Duke later in life, but after she became “Elizabeth Boleyn”. Her father had been restored as Earl of Surrey in 1489; and was created (or restored as) Duke of Norfolk in 1514 (2nd Duke of the Howard creation). She didn’t even become “Lady Elizabeth Boleyn” until her husband was knighted in 1509. In modern times a daughter of an Earl uses the courtesy title “Lady”, sure, but in Tudor times if your name was “Lady Elizabeth Howard”, that signified you were the wife of a knight with the surname, Howard. Her mother, born Elizabeth Tilney, would have been known as “Lady Elizabeth Howard” after Thomas Howard was knighted in 1478. Lady Meg (talk) 05:43, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * He was Earl of Surrey from 1483-85 as well. Lady Meg (talk) 07:13, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Mowbray Dukes of Norfolk
The Mowbray Dukes of Norfolk title became extinct in 1476. Howard didn’t become Duke until 1483. A lot of history on the Dukedom is missing so I just took out the mention of the last Duke. Made it seem like Howard was closely related and like there was no history of the title from 1476-1483. Mowbray’s daughter, Anne, becomes Countess of Norfolk. She married the Duke of York who is created Duke of Norfolk by his father, King Edward IV. All the estates of his father-in-law are given to the young Duke. Then, the kid disappears in the Tower and his uncle becomes King and creates Howard Duke of Norfolk. Don’t think we want all that history mentioned in the beginning of her article so I trimmed it down to just the fact that he was made Duke in 1483 by Richard III. Lady Meg (talk) 06:26, 12 March 2023 (UTC)