Talk:Elizabeth Holloway Marston

Their Live-In Mistress
Given that the page on Olive Byrne refers to her as being part of a polyamorous relationship, ought she to be referred to as "their live-in mistress"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.193.39.153 (talk) 14:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

'Their polyamorous life partner'
Apparently the claim that the relationship between Elizabeth Marston and Olive Byrne was sexual, which is presented as a plain fact in the wiki articles about them, is actually controversial. It is disputed by Elizabeth's granddaughter, as explained in this Hollywood Reporter article (the same is stated in this Forbes interview). Even more tellingly, this 2017 Verge article, in making a passionate argument for their being a lesbian relationship between Elizabeth and Olive, admits precisely that as of that time, most scholars, including recent biographers like Les Daniels and Jill Lepore, were not making that assertion ('scholars ... have still been remarkably reluctant to acknowledge that Elizabeth and Olive were lovers'). Misleadingly, the lede of this article cites both the book by Daniels (no page given) and the Hollywood Reporter article as sources in support of the claim, when in fact the former apparently doesn't mention it and the latter is devoted precisely to rejecting it. I haven't checked all the other cited sources, but even this is enough to show that it shouldn't be presented as an unquestionable fact. 62.73.69.121 (talk) 07:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)