Talk:Elizabeth Stanhope, Countess of Chesterfield

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Notability?
Why is she notable?

"She married Philip Stanhope, [...]. He was one of the lovers of the notorious Barbara Villiers, mistress of King Charles II of England." Transitivity enciclopedicity? More a 'soap opera' then a notability. --Meridiana solare (talk) 20:51, 23 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello @Meridiana solare, nice to meet you again. As per WP:BASIC, "people are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject". Here the threshold is clearly met: as you can see, there are numerous sources, and two of them are particularly important in the French and English literature (respectively Antoine Hamilton, Mémoire du comte de Gramont, and Samuel Pepys, Diary). Besides, the new Dictionary of National Biography (ODNB) has an entry specifically dedicated to her. I know that on it.wiki things work differently, and one has to determine whether the person who is the topic of a biographical article “has distinguished themselves in a particular and notable way for their activities and/or for their thought” (it:WP:BIO), which obviously implies an assessment by the community. Here, if I am not wrong, they let the sources rule on the matter, so to say: once you have reliable secondary sources, the subject is per se notable. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 21:41, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I made a mistake: the ODNB has an entry on her mother, Elizabeth Butler (née Preston). --Gitz (talk) (contribs) 09:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * In defence of her notability one might also mention the many portraits in which she is the sitter. The most famous is perhaps the oil painting by Peter Lely from about 1660 that is kept at Chevening House. There is at least one other Peter Lely oil portrait of her that is reproduced by mezzotints of which The National Portrait Gallery, London and the National Gallery of Art, Washington have copies. There are others. Johannes Schade (talk) 09:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)