Talk:Elle Leonard/GA1

GA1 Review
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Reviewer: Eurohunter (talk · contribs) 17:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I started review. Comments will be below. Review within 2023 GAN Backlog Drives. Eurohunter (talk) 17:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Lead

 * 1) I think for this article length lead could be extended. Eurohunter (talk) 13:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) *Expanded.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Background and early life

 * 1) "Leonard began playing competitive basketball in third grade at PGSL" - what is "PGSL"? Eurohunter (talk) 13:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) *I think I have Googled the proper subject-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:14, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Philanthropy

 * 1) "The Leonards donated $20,000 to the Armed Forces program for the American Red Cross." - is this possible to add links? Eurohunter (talk) 13:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) *done-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Other

 * 1) Add links to archived versions in references. Eurohunter (talk) 13:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) *Please clarify what you are requesting here. Do you want me to archive a group of articles?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * 3) ** Add parameters "archive-url", "archive-date" and "url-status". Eurohunter (talk) 17:39, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Eurohunter @TonyTheTiger Please note that archiving references is not required by WP:GACR. It's a good thing to do, but is not a requirement. RoySmith (talk) 16:25, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * is there a way now to tag an article to solicit a bot to archive all the links?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Go to https://iabot.wmcloud.org/index.php. Pick "Fix a single page" from the "Run Bot" menu at the top.  That kicks off an archive run which may take a few minutes. RoySmith (talk) 23:20, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) ****::DONE!!! That bot even makes it look like I did hard work.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) Reference number 2 - remove capitals. Eurohunter (talk) 13:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 3) *I got this and 3 others.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:35, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * 4) Redirects in references. Names changed over the years or are they incorrect? Eurohunter (talk) 13:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 5) Infobox - there is number of children - wouldn't it be better to add directly whole name of son? Eurohunter (talk) 13:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 6) *I think generally only children who are WP:N are named in this situation. I think there is a privacy issue.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * 7) ** If there are reliable sources describing the names, there is no problem. Eurohunter (talk) 17:39, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * 8) *** So? Eurohunter (talk) 20:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * 9) ****The name has been in the article since March. non-notable names don't belong in the infobox.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * User:Eurohunter Are you going to continue this review? It is not on hold and has not been failed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:34, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Review is finished. I'm waiting for your answers. Eurohunter (talk) 19:41, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Eurohunter, there is a procedure for putting nominations on hold at WP:GAN/I.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I will get to this in the next few days.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:17, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Can there be a discussion about the purpose of this article?
There is a conversation to be had.SlimeSeason5 (talk) 15:39, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm not convinced that any of the information in the lead explains her notability. – Editør (talk) 17:35, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Even a high school athlete can pass WP:GNG for notability. She is a notable athlete in this regard, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If she is only notable because she was a high school athlete, I think the lead should better represent that (focus on that) than it does now. – Editør (talk) 07:49, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is full of information which is trivial in nature. And her time as an athlete during high school, at least as it is conveyed through what's been written here, is not particularly notable. SlimeSeason5 (talk) 16:52, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Editør, I must say that as a page creator of about 1500 WP pages, I find this procedure quite odd. Something like this usually starts as a WP:PROD, WP:CSD or WP:AFD. The purpose of the WP:LEAD is not to justify WP:N, it is to summarize the main body. The main body can only exist if there are facts supported by WP:RS, which are usually presented as WP:ICs. As long as a couple of those ICs are primarily about her she passes WP:GNG. You are confusing importance and notability. There are probably more important subjects who fail WP:GNG. By passing GNG, she is notable whether or not she meets your subjective assessment of her importance.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:40, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if I was unclear in making my point. You say that she is notable as an athlete. Then why is she not identified as "former athlete" first instead of third and why isn't half of the lead about her accomplishments in sports? – Editør (talk) 01:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Editør, Again, I repeat very odd discussion. I think you are quibbling about something. The article says former athlete in the MOS:FIRST sentence. I believe that opening WP:LEAD sentences often describe the current or most recent role first. E.g., Phil Jackson and Pat Riley are not as notable for the first item mentioned in their LEADs as other roles. The LEAD summarizes every section of the article as it should. What the heck are you quibbling about?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:52, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You don't seem to take my comments as constructive criticism, so I don't want to further contribute to this discussion. If the lead is not improved, I recommend to the reviewer to fail this nomination. Please don't contact me again about this article. – Editør (talk) 11:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Editør, The reviewer can read WP:LEAD for themselves and assess whether the article follows it. I don't see any point you made that shows it does not. Thank you for declaring you are finally ending this waste of time.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:46, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Editør, to be clear, I have done my best to respond to your very peculiar queries.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:01, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Stop contacting me about this article. – Editør (talk) 14:15, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Status?
this has been stalled for over two months. Is there something preventing it from moving forward?- — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoySmith (talk • contribs) 15:53, November 6, 2023 (UTC) --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:45, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * To my understanding there is a second opinion request at WP:GAC-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:45, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't fully understand the history here, but I'm going to call this yet another abandoned review by Eurohunter and close it out per WP:GAN/I#N4a which will allow a new reviewer to start from scratch and get this moving again. RoySmith (talk) 17:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)