Talk:Ellen DeGeneres/Archive 1

Uncategorized comments
I want to go to bed - but may I draw attention to the slight sucking-up tone of this article? candidate for a wee cleanup i suspect. Barneyboo 23:11, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Might I suggest that the Career section is sorely lacking? I don't have details, unfortunately, but I know for a fact that Ellen had a fairly successful standup career for years before her sitcom. I recall in the early 80's she was the winner of Showtime's first or second annual Funniest Person In America competition. Ellen may have been her big break, but this was not the beginning of her career. I only wish I could contribute solid details. --Enigmatick 20:17, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh God!
Various articles mention her as playing God in an upcoming remake of the 1977 George Burns film Oh God!, but none of these provide any sort of reference to an official article which confirms that she has actually been cast. As far as I know, this is still a rumor. (Ibaranoff24 03:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC))

ATTENTION: It is importent to note, Christian SCIENCE and Christian are TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. Christian Science is NOT Christian, and no real Christian or any Christian pastor or church would ever say such a thing that Christian science is the same as Christian. Christian science IS A CULT. Look it up in a search please to verify, do some reading, you will be suprised at the subtle but effective deception against the real scriptures. search Christian Science cult. Thankyou.

LGBT Christian claim
Can anyone verify Ellen's religious beliefs? If not, it's not appropriate for us to be making claims about them. Kasreyn 04:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * See this Thumbelina 22:32, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That source does not support the claim that DeGeneres is a Christian. It supports that she once was, and she always refers to it in the past tense, as in "I was a Christian Scientist."  (emphasis mine).  She also claims to believe in god, but does not specify which.  I'm sorry to take so long to get back to you, I had an unfortunate hard drive crash.


 * I'm removing the LGBT Christian cat until a better source can be found. Just having been raised Christian doesn't mean she necessarily is now.  Kasreyn 09:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ellen is a Methodist. Methodists are Christians. Thumbelina 17:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Does anyone have a source to confirm that she's Methodist? If not, she should not be on the LGBT Christian cat.  Even if she still claimed Christian Science as a religion, Christian Scientists are not Christians. 64.214.78.130 23:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, without a source to confirm she's something, we don't say anything. Note that in the article it states that DeGeneres left the Christian Science religion.  Therefore she is definitely not a Christian Scientist.  The claim that she is a Methodist is as-yet unsupported.  We can't just claim she's Christian by default.  Kasreyn 04:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, but Methodists and Christians are not the same thing. LoZmaster 20:20, 18 September 2006(UTC)
 * Sure, but Methodists ARE Christians. 130.64.131.235 05:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Coming-out
I expected more in the article about her coming out publically, which was a very big deal at the time (see, for example, this Time Magazine cover). But it seems barely mentioned in passing. Pimlottc 16:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Many users have a problem with an article mentioning a person is homosexual. They tend to limit the information as much as possible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.162.212.254 (talk • contribs).
 * The article mentions several times that she is a lesbian. The article has the categories Lesbian actors, LGBT comedians, and LGBT Christians.  No information is being limited.  It is POV to define DeGeneres by her sexual orientation in the opening sentence.  -- Dcflyer 14:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * See the homphobic nature of these people? They claim it is POV in one section, then claim it isn't in another. How pathetic. He doesn't even know what POV is, nor does he know the guidelines or standards for openings of biographies on wikipedia. Maybe he should read up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.188.117.70 (talk • contribs).
 * Frankly, I think you're being absurd. The article in current form mentions she's a lesbian FIVE times. What the hell more do you want? Not only is the article NOT homophobic, but I think its insulting to DeGeneres to assume that being a lesbian is more important than everything else about her life (ie. being a successful actress). Leave the article alone. Talk up your crusade elsewhere please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.240.129.123 (talk) 16:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC).


 * There was an episode of the The Larry Sanders Show where DeGeneres played herself. She was openly lesbian, and this episode aired several months before here character came out on her sitcom.  So, I think she was out beforehand.

I don't think the problem is that it doesn't mention her lesbianism ENOUGH... I think the issue is that when she came out publically, and on the show, it was an absolute FIRESTORM of controversy. It swept up public discussion, and was one of those defining moments in the history of the gay rights movement... it brought the discussion about homosexuality into the limelight that I don't think it previously had. I personally feel there should be a seperate section on her coming out and all of what went with it - not because its important that she's a lesbian, because frankly, its not - but because of how absolutely monumental her coming out, and doing so on NETWORK TELEVISION was. Perhaps you are all too young, or your memory is too clouded, but that entire experience is such a big deal, I almost expect a wikipedia article on that event itself - and the fact I don't see a section here devoted to it makes no sense to me. I think its a major diservice to the gay rights movement, and Ellen herself to minimalize the impact on the national conversation over homosexuality that she had to a simple blurb about her coming out under the heading of the show she did it on. As for her being defined by it in the opening line of her biography - obviously that is inappropriate. But the incident/event/movement is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR to important to only be mentioned there.
 * And don't forget the cover stories on national news magazines. Yet does she dwell on that now? I don't think so. For her it was just another step, it seems. Wahkeenah 05:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Who is this "'Ronnie' Gonzales?" I was unable to find any supporting information elsewhere on the internet. Is this vandalism? For right below it, another story about Ellen's "coming out" appears, with a date AFTER her show had started. If the sitcom was created AFTER her "coming out," how did she "come out" on the Oprah show 3 years later? I'm not very familiar with Ellen's story, so I figured I'd leave it to someone with more expertise. --Josh3580 23:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "DeGeneres rose to national attention when her lesbianism was made public when a "Ronnie" Gonzales was caught sleeping with Ellen.[citation needed] The fling had been going on for two years. After that fateful incident, her comedy material was turned into the subject matter of the successful 1994-1998 sitcom Ellen (called These Friends of Mine during its first season)."

Huffington Post?
I searched the Huffington Post archives and could only find one (very short) article authored by Ellen. It seems to me, therefore, that a sentence like "Since May 2005, she has been a contributing blogger at The Huffington Post" is inaccurate ("contributing" implies ongoing contributions). Also, this sentence currently appears under the category "Talk shows and awards host," which is definitely an illogical place for this statement to occur. Has Ellen contributed to the Post more than once? If not, can this sentence simply be removed for its irrelevance? 67.164.99.136 07:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm taking out the sentence for reasons listed above. 67.164.99.136 01:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Reverted back after I foud this page consisting almost entirely of teh word "LESBO". Sigh, some people really need to get lives. Lone Architect Lone Architect 14th October 2006

Yeah I know what you mean, they could be doing things like editing an online encyclopedia's definition of a famous lesbian. Loser.

Relationship w/ Portia de Rossi ?
Not sure whether to revert the recent anon. edit removing that line. Does anyone know if they are still together or not? WikkiTikkiTavi 16:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

76.215.108.253 01:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)—I just wanted to see a filmography and I have trusted Wikipedia as a source for the last two years. I just want to know what is wrong with you people to pick apart a person's life? Wikipedia, it is a very informative article and thank you. To the people who posted the stupid comments about sexuality and her personal life; don't live your lives through celebrity infatuation, get your own. Who really cares who she blows?

Picture
This looks ancient -- surely there's a more recent one floating around? Vranak
 * Why do we need a recent picture? It's an encyclopedia, not a news site. Anyway, this picture is cc-licensed; we can't replace it with a standard copyrighted image. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  03:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not the most flattering photo, that's why. I'm sure you can understand the principle here -- imagine if it was her high school graduation picture. :) Vranak

Why is her height important? 130.126.190.19 21:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Fourth Wall
Just passing by and noticed this: ''DeGeneres (and her character on the show) came out of the closet on national television and publicly declared that she was a lesbian with Oprah Winfrey playing her therapist. In spite of the controversy, or perhaps because of it, the outing episode, entitled "The Puppy Episode," was one of the highest-rated episodes of the show which is before the Oprah announcement, making viewers confused if the outing scene was breaking the fourth wall.'' Why would somebody take the picture off of Ellen under the umbrella at Universal Studios this year? Please repost, I took the picture and think it is flattering and fun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cubfanwooss (talk • contribs) 14:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Viewers were confused, eh? I'm one of them, and this sentence does not help a bit. What is "the Oprah announcement"? "Oprah Winfrey playing her therapist" implies Oprah portrayed a therapist in an episode of Ellen; if so, then how could the episode in which she came out have been before this one? If "playing her therapist" means something else, the wording should be changed. If the character's coming out was also the public's first signal that the actress was a lesbian, then it was breaking the fourth wall, no? IIRC the public had plenty of warning that it would happen -- otherwise the controversy could not have affected the ratings of the episode! These events should be told in chronological order, stating the facts so that the people like me, who were confused at the time and turn to Wikipedia for the real story, can get it. Cjoev 21:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Pretty sure that MySpace page is bogus...
Is it possible to verify authenticity? DamsonTree 09:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

More of the same (see Fourth Wall above)
This sentence needs clarifying/re-writing: 'Ellen reached its height of attention in April 1997 when DeGeneres (and her character on the show) came out of the closet on national television and publicly declared that she was a lesbian to Oprah Winfrey, who played her therapist.' Did Ellen (the person) come out to Oprah on Oprah's talk show; did Ellen (the character) come out to Oprah playing the therapist on Ellen; or both? I haven't seen either of the shows so have no idea; this article doesn't make it clear.86.136.194.209 13:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Ellen sitcom
The 2 paragraphs about her sitcom were apparently inadvertently lost during the reversion of some vandalism today. I've replaced the text. HarshLanguage 10:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Ellen's favorite songs
Someone could include a list of her favorite songs to dance to. The best dancer on tv —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wayne Neptune (talk • contribs) 20:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

Car Accident
Theres a lot of detail on this... Do we really need the make and model of the cars involved in the accident? Diabloman 19:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Lesbian caption
There has been a recent series of edits/reverts over the inclusion of 'lesbian' in the lead in for the article. Is there a way for there to be some agreement on this? Yavoh 21:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed it. How silly to have that in the lead of her article!  Would anyone start out a article on Oprah saying she was heterosexual?  I don't think so.  We're talking sexuality (not achievements) --- and Ellen is being singled out because she's gay.  Of course it should be mentioned in the article (it already is), but not in the lead! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.208.76.65 (talk • contribs).
 * I have re-added it. Please see WP:LEAD.  This is an important fact about DeGeneres, particularly for the LGBT community.  I'm also considering applying an administrative tag to the article because the lead is far too short and doesn't meet the Wikipedia style guidelines for other reasons.  Silly rabbit 10:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Everyone knows Ellen is a lesbian. I hate when people think being gay defines you or is the most important thing about you.  I'm gay, by the way.  Like I said, would anyone start out an article on a straight person saying they were heterosexual in the lead? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.208.76.65 (talk • contribs).
 * I think you answered the question with "Everyone knows Ellen is a lesbian." If it's something everyone knows, then it is obviously significant enough to include in the lede.  Once again, this isn't about how the article starts out, as you seem to think (see WP:LEAD).  This is about the fact that the lede should summarize all relevant aspects of the article.  Since Ellen is an enormously popular openly gay entertainer, it deserves mention here.  The lede definitely needs some work, but in the direction of expansion rather than reduction.  Silly rabbit 15:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It certainly should be somewhere in the lede; look at Lance Bass and the talk page discussion there how it might be handled. AU Tiger » talk 15:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And everyone knows Julia Roberts is straight, but is that mentioned in the lead of her article? Your sexuality doesn't define you---just as your hair or eye color does not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.208.76.65 (talk • contribs).
 * It's not about "defining" her, it's about summarizing the article and those things that are notable about her. Her being an out lesbian entertainer is most definitely notable and her orientation is mentioned in multiple places in the article. As SillyRabbit mentioned, per WP:LEAD, a one line lede is much too short for this article's overall length and it should be expanded further. AU Tiger » talk 22:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I was about to remove it. It looked like vandalism to me, I've never seen "... is an American lesbian" in an article before that wasn't vandalized. Luckily, I decided to check the talk and found this discussion. It doesn't seem to be in place; it could be easily summarized in another way.


 * The article is VERY long, and so it definitely needs more than one short paragraph. It should have two, maybe even three paragraphs in the lead. You could summarize her coming out in a sentence or two in one of those paragraphs. ♠ SG →Talk 23:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

(od) I can't believe the lead had yet to be expanded. Fixed that and hopefully it will fix the issue/debate/etc. AU Tiger » talk 02:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The primary argument AGAINST including it in the lead seems to be that heterosexual actors don't have their heterosexuality pointed out in their articles, or their lead. That's a straw man argument at best, because the fact is that - whether it is a good thing or not - people are considered heterosexual until such time as it is asserted that they are not. Additionally because of the current numerous world issues relating to GLBT people it is ALWAYS notable when a person of renown is GLBT because, intentionally or otherwise, they serve as a publicly visible role model to the millions of others within that minority group who are looking for guidance and affirmation of their own status. TheGoonSquad 21:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Dog thing
Can someone pls put up some info about why she was crying about some dog on TV? I'm too lazy to go out and do it myself, plus this page seems to be locked. Qwertyca 05:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that this incident is notable enough for inclusion in this article. Time will tell.  Yavoh 06:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The woman who runs the company that owns the dog (legally) has been receiving massive amounts of death threats through e-mail and letters. I'd say it's notable at this point.  Phoenix1304 17:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Considering it's been on CNN and Yahoo News and a whole lot of late nite talk shows as well as celebrity-watching shows I think it's notable enough to atleast deserve a mention. What say you? Qwertyca 18:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that the vital issue that has not been properly addressed in the article is Ellen's ongoing and very public association with animal rights. This goes back (at LEAST) as far as an episode of her first sitcom with guest star Mary Tyler Moore (another animal rights activist) that revolved around setting a lobster free; obviously that was fiction but it was a reflection of the real Ellen's feelings. The best bet might be to add a section about this topic that INCLUDES her recent mishap with an adopted dog. TheGoonSquad 21:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Mishap? What an interesting characterization. I'm not sure what the issue with the dog and the agency has to do with whatever animal rights stance she has. AU Tiger » talk 22:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Where was it stated the dog was adopted by somebody else? All the links about the dog incident are at the end of the paragraph. DrBat 01:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It was reported on Inside Edition (Oct. 17, 2007). The show interviewed the pet rescue founder, who stated the dog had been adopted by a "new" family.  Rock1966 02:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with the point raised by Yavoh above. This incident is being given too much weight and smacks of recentism. Is this really something that should be covered, much less given too paragraphs, in an encyclopedia? AU Tiger » talk 04:58, 18 October 2007

(UTC)
 * Actually, even though I participated earlier with the editing of this section, I tend to lean toward the opinion that this "flash-in-the-pan" discussion will go away as quickly as it began, and will be forgotten quickly. It undoubtedly doesn't belong at all in the main Ellen page.  Recentism for certain!   Taye   05:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the time-will-tell philosophy is the best for this situation. It does seem that this incident will be quickly forgotten, but I am sure edits to this page will reflect this soon after that happens. --- Stephen Goldmeier |  Profile  |  Talk  |  (._.)  | 20:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, but I came to my trusty wikipedia to find out information about this topic... only to realize it wasn't there. Can we not just put it in there for now and then delete or shorten it once people stop caring? Or would you suggest I start frequenting wikinews instead? Qwertyca 21:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

In addition to being grammatically incorrect, this passage -- "Degeneres apologize on-air for her mistake, not agreeing with the agency's decision to take the dog out of the loving home she had found for it." -- is biased by applying the subjective and unproven term "take the dog out of the loving home she had found for it." Dhvrm 23:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Besides forgetting the "d" after apologized (which is a typo), how is that statement grammatically incorrect? Gwyka 13:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Although the passage has been changed, in addition to missing the "d" in "apologized," the dependent clause "not agreeing with the agency's decision ..." is ambiguous. A more proper phrasing would have been, "Degeneres apologized on-air for violating the adoption contract, but disagreed with the agency's decision to remove the dog from her employee's home." Dhvrm 21:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Indicating that "loving home" is how Degeneres referred to it would solve the bias problem. But more importantly, I would think that, given a few months, anything added to this section will be shortened or removed. I see no problem with adding to it and expanding it, but I do not anticipate it remaining here for very long. --- Stephen Goldmeier |  Profile  |  Talk  |  (._.)  | 14:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone above said that this may be a flash in the pan, and I agree that it maybe so in the life of this person, but this information really is more important and relevant to the subject of the television show and so should be moved there. --64.247.120.131 21:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've trimmed it down and removed POV tag; if you still think tag os needed please state what changes are needed. Benjiboi 14:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

picket line
she crossed the picket line!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonjaaa (talk • contribs) 23:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:RS and quote has been added to reflect this. Benjiboi 17:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Article organization
I think some restructuring might make sense, "Recent Professional Developments" seems to violate common sense and probably the MOS as well. Any suggestions? Benjiboi 17:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Restructure
I was doing that, and received a message from Wikipedia user Jonathan, saying I was vandalising the content by deleting portions of the article.

How does one rearrange the order of information without pasting the information onto a new section and then deleting the same information from the section where it used to be??

I had inadvertently made edits without logging in; that's probably why he thought I was vandalising. However, he should have checked and re-checked the article in a span of more than just a few minutes to see whether his accusations of vandalism are grounded.

His intervention has resulted in the article's having two of the "Puppy Drama" information, one of which I am deleting right after I post this comment.

Thanks.Doctorqui (talk) 22:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The easiest way, to me, to move a whole section is edit the entire article ("edit this page") rather than delete from one section and move to another. By the way I think puppy drama should stay in the season rather than personal life but it's not that big of deal. Benjiboi 00:05, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

on $cientolgy
Degeneris, Ellen (TV Actress): [On her TV show, Ellen, in February, 1998] "She was in a mall, trying to get the attention of a guy with a clipboard. She said to her friend that the last time she talked to a guy with a clipboard, she ended up a scientologist, and it was expensive!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.46.49.98 (talk) 20:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Ellen
Hi Ellen,Iam a fun out of South Afrika - Cape Town.I watch your show 2 a week when it is broadcast on dstv.You are a insperation to all of us in SA.

When i watch your show i am relaxed and the laughter bring joy and pease.I hope that you will come to South Africa and visit Cape Town.I will make sure that i am in the first row, hope there will be money to see you but i will make a plan.

you are very special Fransie Gordon Parow Valley South Africa 7500 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.207.40.212 (talk) 08:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Info removal
I just removed some information about the subject's alleged childhood abuse, as it was unsourced and I was concerned about WP:BLP issues; having done so, I checked and see that it's probably easily sourced from media reports. I'm quite surprised it's not already in the article. Was there a discussion that I don't see about that someplace by regular editors, or is it just something that nobody had gotten around to adding yet? Tony Fox (arf!) 22:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please post a link or two here. If it's widely known and reported by WP:RS then we can address it but we should err on the side of caution as we also want to respect the rights of those who did any abusing so should not state anything to identify them unless also widely known and in reliable sources. Benjiboi 23:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The article keeps calling Portia de Rossi her boyfriend, I'm not sure if people realize that portia de rossi is female. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.51.254 (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Puppy drama
Isn't that a little out of point of view? Basketball <font color="#FF8C00">one <font color="#8B4513">1 <font color="#FFD700">0  02:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * How do you think it should it be changed? <u style="text-decoration:none;font:95% cursive;color:#CC00CC">Benji <u style="text-decoration:none;font:98% cursive;color:#ff6699">boi 02:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Ellen (the character)'s coming out
Until recently, the article said that Ellen (the character) "admitted" to her therapist that she was gay. User:Benjiboi has recently changed this, first to "revealed", and now to "told", claiming that these are "more neutral" words. But IIRC it does indeed come as a reluctant admission, not as a revelation or a mere passing on of news; it seems to me that "admit" is exactly the right verb here. "Neutrality" doesn't mean neutering the story. -- Zsero (talk) 08:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "Admitted" is semantically problematic as it implies someone did something wrong and is now admitting their mistake. Instead of edit warring whether revealed or admitted is better as both are POV-ish I reworded leaning on what reliable sources have reported to neutralize the information. I've found Bias in attribution: Mind your nuances of the NPOV tutorial helpful. <u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Benji <u style="text-decoration:none;font:98% cursive;color:#8000FF">boi 21:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Except that in this case, if I remember the episode correctly, "admitted" is precisely the right word for what happens. Any other word is simply a lie.  It's not a question of POV, it's a question of accurately describing what actually happens on screen.  We can't just go changing words in the name of "neutrality" when they change the facts.  Maybe I'm not remembering the episode correctly, but that's not what you're claiming.  Perhaps someone else can chime in, who does remember how exactly the revelation came. -- Zsero (talk) 01:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What you say may be true, although I think how it's currently shown is more neutral and correct. We should state the the character discussed she was gay, said she was gay, talked about being gay, etc. When in doubt we lean on what reliable sources state. What you know to be true and what you saw and recall are true to you but not WP:Verifiable. We report what is verifiable not just true. <u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Benji <u style="text-decoration:none;font:98% cursive;color:#8000FF">boi 17:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * We also don't report what is not true, regardless of what "sources" say, let alone what we can scry by deconstructing these sources. What happens in the episode can be verified by viewing it, for those who have access to it; it's not an historical event that only happened once and can't be verified directly. (We rely on newspapers and books for verifiability, even though not everyone has access to them.  A TV episode on DVD should be just as citable.  Is it out on DVD?)  Anyway, why don't we wait for someone else to say something? -- Zsero (talk) 19:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The preceeding comments do make good points about the use of "admit" vs. "reveal" vs. "tell". I don't agree, however, that "admit" would be the best choice.  First of all, it does seem POV-ish, as previously noted.  Furthermore, extra-linguistic considerations should hold weight; "to come out" is a socially and politically loaded term, and combining it with a verb such as "admit" results in even greater "loadedness" in my opinion.  Because of this, I argue for retaining "told".  It's neutral and to the point.Savacek (talk) 04:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The question is what does she actually do? To the best of my recollection she does not "tell" or "reveal" but admits it, with much prodding from the shrink.  And we shouldn't be misstating the facts in the article, out of some sense of PC.  -- Zsero (talk) 05:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You may may be spot correct but you also may be engaging in original research, ergo we need to write it neutrally and let the reader make their own conclusion. If a reliable source states she "admitted ___" then we can reconcile that with other reliable sources, otherwise we need to remain as neutral as possible. <u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Benji <u style="text-decoration:none;font:98% cursive;color:#8000FF">boi 08:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Christian
How is she Christian? She was a Christian Scientist in her youth, but her stated beliefs now line up more with polytheism than Christianity. <font color="green" face="Mistral">Toa  <font color="green" face="Mistral">Nidhiki <font color="green" face="Mistral">05  01:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Ellen DeGeneres & Cover Girl
In September 2008, Ellen DeGeneres, on her talk shows announced that she is the new face of Cover Girl Cosmetics. after rumors circulating the internet, she decided to put an end to them by speaking out. Ellen is known for being open about what happens in her life. Her official campaign for Cover Girl's "simply ageless" collection will be out in January 2009. Ellen's role with covergirl has had mixed reactions. Whilst some openly embrace her as the newest 'covergirl.' some are appalled because being associated with covergirl conflicts with her values. covergirl has been known to test on animals and ellen is an animal lover and works hard to protect animals. her campaign for covergirl has become highly successful and covergirl has expanded the line of simply ageless by creating not only foundation but primer, conclear and blush. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charmed4229 (talk • contribs) 23:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

splitting eleveneleven into seperate article.
i think Eleveneleven should be featured as a separate article now, since now it is has signed quite a number of artists and gained encyclopedic value. Your opinions? - ℤiαηsh <font color="darkgoldenrod">✍  20:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The section is pretty sparsely sourced right now (only one secondary source) but as long as you can find enough sources to satisfy the notability requirements I don't see why not. A quick google news search shows quite a few hits, but I'm not seeing much beyond the launch really. Siawase (talk) 22:23, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Twitter and facebook
Unlock the page and edit request: Ellen not only reaches her fans through her show but through her Twitter and Facebook accounts. Her TheEllenShow Twitter page has has 6,081,326 followers, has 3, 986 tweets, and is following 48,900 other people on Twitter. Her Twitter posts mainly discuss her show and past episodes and also includes twitpic’s or short YouTube clips highlighting certain aspects of her show. On her Twitter page, Ellen does shout outs to celebrities such as Wanda Sykes and Justin Biebier. (http://twitter.com/THEELLENSHOW) The Ellen DeGeneres Show Facebook page has 4,687,311 likes and includes over 20, 880 photos from her hit television show. Her Facebook page, like her Twitter page, includes photos, movie clips and upcoming information and guests in regards to her show. (http://www.facebook.com/ellentv)

Michellevieira (talk) 18:07, 6 March 2011 (UTC)March 6, 2011


 * Her twitter and facebook accounts are linked from her official site which is linked in the external links here. Since you didn't bring any sources aside from the links to those sites, I'm not sure what you want done here. Siawase (talk) 22:32, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Cousins
Ellen was recently very excited (or acted like it) to learn that she is a 14th cousin of Kate Middleton. Keeping in mind that she's probably that closely releted to dozens (hundreds?) of noteworthy people, is this worth mentioning in the article? 13.13.16.2 (talk) 14:08, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You don't mention any sources, but at a glance that doesn't sound weighty enough to include. Siawase (talk) 21:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Her coming out was a bit of an epic in its own right...
It was such a prolonged period of hinting (starting September 1990), by both Degeneres in person and her eponymous TV show character (Ellen Morgan), that it became news in its own right and the for-real announcement made the cover of Time magazine (April 14, 1991). Does anyone have the date of the "Come on out, Ellen! The water's just fine!" cover of Out (magazine)? (EDIT: Found it. May 1997.)  It seems to deserve more than one sentence. If someone feels ambitious, it could be turned into a section of its own. 71.41.210.146 (talk) 05:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Ellen's Birth
I do not think Ellen is 53 years old because Portia is 38. I am pretty sure Ellen DeGeneres was born in 1981 which makes her 30 years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Febbylove12 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Photo
As of writing, the current photo is awful. Needs changing.


 * Whoever wrote that needs to make sure they sign to show the date it was posted, especially since the comment is about something "current". If the photo hasn't been changed since the previous users comment, then I do agree that it doesn't look great; but if someone wants it changed they should bring in a new option to the discussion here to get consensus. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 22:55, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

American idol and marriage in lead.
Sentence 1 should say why she is notable... the AI host is a point on her resume, and not the reason she is well known. (edit to add) - that was sentence 2 in para 1. MOved it in with the other work history in paras 2 and 3... merged those into a single para.

Minor point - Relationship is adequately covered in the body, in my opinion.

Shajure (talk) 21:45, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 March 2012
Please change that first picture of her, it's scary.

Emzoom12 (talk) 17:05, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: You would need to provide a freely licensed alternative before we could switch it out. — Bility (talk) 21:05, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Ancestry
Although the ancestral chart is interesting, it is not a credible source. First it is anonymous. Although a copyright is stated, there is no indication of the authorship. Therefore it cannot be vetted to a credible, third-party published, genealogist. No sources are cited, therefore it cannot be checked. It is published under a "blog" and therefore must rise to a higher standard of scholarship than printed articles. It is amateurish in scope, only showing how she may be connected to Kate Middleton and therefore smacks of sloppy research methods.Wjhonson (talk) 21:17, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit requests: New categories
Please move Category:LGBT comedians to the new Category:LGBT comedians from the United States

Please move Category:LGBT television personalities to the new Category:LGBT television personalities from the United States


 * It's already be done, because I emptied that category (the general one) and tagged it for deletion in place of the more specific categories about people from specific countries (which is in a more general category itself). Banaticus (talk) 20:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

In Personal Life- Can we add that Lil B "The Based God" made a video tribute about Ellen DeGeneres. It is a hit on youtube. It would enhance the article and could possibly be put under "Trivia". and no I am not Lil B. Link Below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8u6EodZseg -Ellen Degeneres by Lil B. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.155.211.12 (talk) 22:58, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 April 2012
take out pic of anne heche and put in pic of porchia.

Giannis52 (talk) 17:21, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: What for? The text next to the picture talks about Anne Heche, so what's the problem? Also, do you have an alternate free image? — Bility (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

NEED A WETOPIA FIX FAST...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.249.19.174 (talk) 00:40, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Why?
Why there's no mention of her three nominations to the Golden Globes for her acting on Ellen, or her three nomination for the Screen Actors Guild Awards? I mean, those are really important awards for actors. --Lluvia Roja (talk) 03:48, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Infobox image
Hi. I value and respect all of the work my colleagues do and if I cause offense, I apologize, but File:Ellen DeGeneres 2011.jpg is simply unacceptable as an infobox image. To call the photo unflattering would be a pretty large understatement. She has demon eyes, her teeth look weird, and she an expression on her face that makes her appear to be mentally retarded. If there were no alternatives, I would still say this photo is unacceptable. But thankfully we have a number of other images that can be used, so I've swapped the photo out. Please let me know if you disagree or would like to discuss this further. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:04, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Sexually abused by Roy Gruessendorf
Can someone add in that she was sexually abused by her stepfather, Roy Gruessendorf. The source is here and there are several others. http://www.pridesource.com/article.html?article=14477 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.103.131.61 (talk) 18:56, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

<font color="#A30015" face="segoe print" size="5">We love you Ellen Degeneres - Fan page
We love you Ellen because she the best example of the great and good-hearted person. Someone who cares about human society. Against violence and for youth, minority and friendship. And because she is just funny. That's why we love you Ellen

Fan page is the page: The most recent. Most active. Favorite. External links
 * Fan psge of Ellen DeGeneres at Facebook.


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Propriety
It is an old custom to refer to wives as being "Mrs. (husband's name)". Ellen Degeneres is married to another woman, Portia de Rossi. Therefore, this sets up an interesting dilemma. Is it proper to refer to Ellen as "Mrs. Portia de Rossi", or is Portia the only person who should claim that identity? 198.151.130.41 (talk) 20:05, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Judging from surname changes, perhaps it's more proper to refer to Portia as "Mrs. Ellen DeGeneres"! 198.151.130.41 (talk) 20:08, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 November 2013
Please change the release year for "Finding Dory" to 2016

83.249.187.72 (talk) 10:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done, with citation taken from the Finding Dory article. --Stfg (talk) 11:27, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Unlock and edit request
'''Partner(s): Portia De Rossi 2008 - now ELLEN'S WIFE!!!'''

2001 Emmy Awards
"DeGeneres received several standing ovations for her performance that evening, which included the line: "What would bug the Taliban more than seeing a gay woman in a suit surrounded by Jews?""

She didn't get a standing ovation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.12.254 (talk) 21:49, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Header Photo
Hi, would anyone object if I changed the header photo at the top of the page and swapped it for the more recent bottom photo of Ellen with her award? It's both more recent and more flattering. Many thanks. Justin.Parallax (talk) 10:33, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2014
She supports and runs this facebook for anti bullying - https://www.facebook.com/Antibully2014

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selfie retweeted multi-millionaire record
it should be here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.166.6.39 (talk) 09:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * In process. Sportfan5000 (talk) 19:58, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

"Comedienne"
As it is a super outdated and, frankly, insulting term I'd absolutely love if someone could revise the two uses of it on Ellen's page to the gender neutral "comedian." I know it seems like a little change but I think it's a big one myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahel19 (talk • contribs) 07:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It remains a contemporary term even though some may view at as dated or sexist. As she made history as a comedienne it would seem to be smart to keep it. Sportfan5000 (talk) 20:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Books
She has written three books, all we do is list them. I think it would be good to write about each of them a little bit, and note their sales, or anything notable about them. It doesn't have to be its own section. Sportfan5000 (talk) 20:11, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Awards and nominations
I think she needs the section overhauled if anyone is interested. I think all the nominations, not just the wins should be noted, and references for each nomination, and award should also be added. Sportfan5000 (talk) 20:11, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Image Update
The current image looks kind of weird. There are so many normal photos of her on wiki! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tahooraa (talk • contribs) 21:21, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Can someone upload a better image of Ellen? Perhaps, her many many staff members can do this?

Can we get a new picture?
The current one looks rather soulless and robotic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.159.68.135 (talk) 21:16, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mycat99 (talk • contribs) 08:04, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2015
At the beginning of the article where it lists what Ellen is known for, Philanthropy should be added too. She given away/solicited companies to give away to the needy.

71.92.101.77 (talk) 00:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The lede is meant to summarize the article as a whole and this article does not mention very much philanthropic work, more activism than anything. To contrast, take a look at Bono's article, where his philanthropic work is thoroughly covered Cannolis (talk) 01:23, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Off topic chat
De Générest My theory about her last name is that it means from Générest. The t is silent in French, so Generes and Générest are pronounced the same way. Générest is a town in southwestern France, an area where many Acadians came from. Generes is of Acadian descent on her father's side. 69.159.18.152 (talk) 22:14, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request for Ellen Degeneres on 11 March 2016
Please change the photo dating of 2011 to this new photo of 2016

Raphaeldaigle (talk) 01:58, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2016
Can someone change the infobox to comedian.

166.176.59.25 (talk) 07:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. That seems a bit contentious. She's more than just a comedian.   Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 19:17, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Better Photo
Is there not a better picture of Ellen that could be used here?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.23.51.199 (talk) 01:20, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I am sure that if you have a better image to which you have the rights, you may upload it. There are many such images, sadly, their owners either do not edit WP, or they are unwilling to give up virtually all rights (including use of the image for profit).Shajure (talk) 14:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Molestation by stepfather
Is this not noteworthy? http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ellen-degeneres-molested-as-teen/ --Atiru (talk) 03:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Not vegan
Formally speaking, Degeneres isn't vegan. At best, she abstained from all animal product from 2008 to 2012. In that year she started eating certain eggs, which made her vegeterian. Recently she admitted eating fish aswell, which makes it difficult to classify even as vegeterian. I think it's better to change the whole "veganism" paragraph, so it will contain degenereses animal rights activity without the tag of "vegan". Ill wait for someone with more confidence in his/hers language skills to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mateo (talk • contribs) 11:08, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Introduction
Ellen’s awards, published books, and charitable efforts are severely underrepresented. A brief paragraph touches on these subjects, after the first three paragraphs. In the second paragraph, it seems unnecessary to compare her to a male comedian. It also talks about Johnny Carson giving her the “most influential endorsement available” by inviting her to an onscreen chat. It’s not important to give Carson credit for her success. The focus of her page should be her stand-up comedy and acting career, and how she has given back to this world as a humanitarian. I, also, don’t think it's relevant to mention her spouse in the veganism section randomly. It doesn’t seem to contribute to the section since De Rossi isn't mentioned again. Tiffany Garavaglia (talk) 03:45, 3 September 2016 (UTC) Tiffany Sept. 2, 2016
 * From my perspective, the Carson invite was huge. I feel it should be discussed under "Stand-up comedy" with, at most, a brief mention in the lead. It should not be in the lead without being in the body. This is not to say the sit down gives credit to Carson for her success. It doesn't. At the time, Carson was late night television. No other network had a serious contender against Carson in the early to mid 1980s. His show was pretty much a pinnacle gig for a stand up comic. Making it on the show was an honor, being invited to sit down and talk after your bit was massive. The sit down was a clear sign that she had "made it" in stand up.
 * The comparison to Newhart is not a comparison to a male comedian, it is a comparison to a very successful comedian. At that time, Newhart was the successful comedian: Grammy winning albums, a movie career and then at the peak of his second long-running sitcom. Being compared to someone at the height of their career spanning 3 decades has nothing to do with gender. This belongs in the "Stand-up comedy" section but, IMO, not the lead. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 04:35, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Ellen has only published books which contains 95% pictures and only 5% text that too to only caption/explain the pictures. Does this make her a writer? Does she have any noticeable writing works? Worldandhistory (talk) 19:31, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Writer

Not totally humanitarian
Can it be mentioned how Ellen did serious damage to her humanitarian credentials when she said an autistic Starbucks barista named Sam was 'an inspiration' for having a job. Sam doesn't have a job despite his autism, he is able to work despite all the misinformation about autism that's out there. Sheogorath 80.189.85.25 (talk) 20:41, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No. That would be your opinion. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 00:35, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No, that would be the opinion of the Autistic Community, just as it is the opinion of the Autistic Community that the original source of the misinformation is Autism Speaks. Sheogorath 80.189.85.25 (talk) 21:27, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Let me rephrase: "No, that would be your opinion and what you believe to be the opinion of every person with autism on the planet. In either case, you would need a reliable source. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 22:58, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not Ableist, Apparently.

When featuring an autistic barista on her show, Ellen DeGeneres introduced the young man only as Sam, then at the end of the segment, said that he is ‘an inspiration’.

When featuring a wheelchair using Paralympian on her show, Ellen DeGeneres introduced the young woman as Tatyana McFadden, then at the end of the segment, said that she is ‘amazing’.

Sam was able to obtain employment in the face of the misinformation about autism that is spread by Autism $peaks, and Tatyana became an athlete despite having been born with spina bifida which went untreated for the first six years of her life whilst living in the Russian orphanage her American parents adopted her from. Yet Sam was called an inspiration for achieving less with a more privileged background than Tatyana, who was quite rightly called amazing.

And some Wikipedia editors believe that Ellen DeGeneres ‘isn’t ableist’. (-_Q)

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Good enough? Sheogorath 87.113.226.223 (talk) 21:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Question about that copyright notice at the end: Is the text (including the notice) copied from somewhere or are you trying to apply a copyright to your posting here?
 * Next up, in terms of adding this claim or a variation of it to the article: In general, for a statement of opinion (a film is good, a person is _____ist, a type of car is expensive, etc.) we cannot really state it as a fact. The best we can typically do is say that a relevant person or organization says it. We cannot, for example, say that Battlefield Earth is a horrible movie. We can, however, say that "On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has a 'rotten' score of 3% based on 148 reviews with an average rating of 2.3 out of 10" and that "Chicago Sun-Times film critic Roger Ebert gave the film the rating of half a star out of four and described it as 'like taking a bus trip with someone who has needed a bath for a long time. It's not merely bad; it's unpleasant in a hostile way. I watched it in mounting gloom, realizing I was witnessing something historic, a film that for decades to come will be the punch line of jokes about bad movies.'"
 * You want to say DeGeneres is ableist or wrong for treating autism as something to overcome? You will need to start with independent reliable sources stating this. A word of caution here: Everyone has opinions on lots of things. We won't be listing everybody's opinions on DeGeneres or anyone else. Can you imagine what an article on any well-known politician started listing opinions? Instead, we're generally looking for something more than "person X said person Y is _________". The way to go here is an independent reliable source discussing it: If the New York Times discusses the impact of "person X said person Y is _________" it means something more.
 * You clearly have a strong opinion here and, IMO, will likely have more success if you find your sources and discuss the issue before adding the material. Otherwise, we tend to see strongly worded WP:BLP issues that are promptly removed and bitter discussion afterwards. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 03:07, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You want to say DeGeneres is ableist or wrong for treating autism as something to overcome? You will need to start with independent reliable sources stating this. A word of caution here: Everyone has opinions on lots of things. We won't be listing everybody's opinions on DeGeneres or anyone else. Can you imagine what an article on any well-known politician started listing opinions? Instead, we're generally looking for something more than "person X said person Y is _________". The way to go here is an independent reliable source discussing it: If the New York Times discusses the impact of "person X said person Y is _________" it means something more.
 * You clearly have a strong opinion here and, IMO, will likely have more success if you find your sources and discuss the issue before adding the material. Otherwise, we tend to see strongly worded WP:BLP issues that are promptly removed and bitter discussion afterwards. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 03:07, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You clearly have a strong opinion here and, IMO, will likely have more success if you find your sources and discuss the issue before adding the material. Otherwise, we tend to see strongly worded WP:BLP issues that are promptly removed and bitter discussion afterwards. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 03:07, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Married ah no
So married doesnt mean legally married any more, so its just a throw away term. They got married when it was not legally possible. Im off to up date trumps page as I just married him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon19801 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Um, you might want to read the article, . - Sum mer PhD v2.0 15:34, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Ellentube
Is Ellentube a big deal? I was trying to find information about it but it doesn't even get a mention in the article. At first I guessed it was her own Youtube channel but it turned out to be her own video sharing website. -- 109.77.219.15 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * A quick search didn't turn up any reliable sources having anything to say about it. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 00:58, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Dont need a "reliable source" not that it means anything on here. It exists and link proves it exists.--Simon19801 (talk) 22:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Lots of trivial things can be proven to exist but do not belong in an encyclopedia. Donald Trump's uvula clearly exists, but is not yet discussed in Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations because we do not have reliable sources discussing it. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 15:53, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Philanthropist?
Could she be considered a philanthropist in the Occupation section of the infobox? CB19 (talk) 05:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

philanthropist is not an occupation So it can be listed under occupation. This would be no different than claiming shes a meat eater as an occupation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon19801 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

So can this be corrected ion the page?--Simon19801 (talk) 10:39, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Philanthropist - 2nd section on same subject Fix some Errors
Philanthropist is not an occupation, so that should be removed to make the article correcter!--Simon19801 (talk) 10:41, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Well. A good many well-rated articles describe individuals as philanthropists, as it is very possible to spend an entire career finding wise ways to give away money.  Having given out 1000 computers in the late 1990s I can assure you that there is a GREAT DEAL of work making sure you don't wind up giving a room full of computers to an organization that supports openly evil causes.Shajure (talk) 19:15, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Idly... what change are you proposing? I don't see this in S1, nor in the infobox.  If it is in the body, that seems very appropriate.Shajure (talk) 19:15, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
 * In fact, the only place I find the text is in the categories, which again seems quite appropriate.Shajure (talk) 19:17, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Profile picture
Could you please consider changing that profile picture. She has sooo many good ones! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.73.166.248 (talk) 19:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Photos for most articles about living individuals must be released for free use (i.e., not copyrighted). This means we can't simply find a photo we like on the Internet and use it. For more information, see the licensing info on the current photo. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 23:55, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

There are many better pictures in the Wikimedia Commons, such as this one from 2004 that would be better fitting: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ellen_DeGeneres#/media/File:Ellen_DeGeneres_(2004).jpg. 99.74.125.12 (talk) 09:18, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Poll on Profile Picture
Please sign your name using four tildes ( ~ ~ ~ ~) under which position you side with, and if you can, add a comment on why. If you support more than one issue, you can sign your name on more than one place.

Keep current photo
 * The current photo is actually a good one and from 2011. It is more reflective of how she currently looks, rather than a photo from 2004. -- ‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel  ‖ 07:57, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Use a different picture from the Wikimedia Commons

RubyTuesdaysLover69420 (talk) 07:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC) The current picture is not a very good photo, there are several good pictures that Wikipedia has licensed under their "Wiki Media Commons". She is not posing for a photo and has her mouth open, the one from 2004, or any of the several ones in the Commons, are much better. Licence a new photo

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2017
RubyTuesdaysLover69420 (talk) 02:52, 25 February 2017 (UTC) Replace profile picture with this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ellen_DeGeneres#/media/File:Ellen_DeGeneres_(2004).jpg
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The reason for this edit request is because the picture currently up is not a very good picture, and there are several better ones in the Wikimedia Commons. RubyTuesdaysLover69420 (talk) 07:41, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
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We need an image-ectomy.
Too many images. Unless someone speaks up, I am going to whack them again.Shajure (talk) 04:04, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * There being no comment, I am going to wield the editorial hatchet.Shajure (talk) 07:02, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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Ellen DeGeneres Lands New Netflix Stand-Up Special

Ellen DeGeneres will appear in a brand new stand up special for Netflix.

“It has been 15 years since I did a stand-up special. 15 years,” DeGeneres said in a statement. “And I’m writing it now, I can’t wait. I’ll keep you posted when and where I’m gonna shoot my Netflix special. I’m excited to do it; I’m excited for you to see it.”

It seems to be a cut/paste of a promo. Easily restored if others disagree.Shajure (talk) 01:39, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Netflix Netflix is an American entertainment company founded by Reed Hastings and Marc Randolph on August 29, 1997, in Scotts Valley, California.[7] It specializes in and provides streaming media and video-on-demand online and DVD by mail. In 2013, Netflix expanded into film and television production, as well as online distribution.

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2017
Please change Portia's name in the info box to Portia DeGeneres. it says in the same articl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_DeGeneres#Sexual_orientation_and_relationships) that her name is really Portia DeGeneres 59.102.67.12 (talk) 05:40, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: I don't think there's any need for that. Sure, she legally changed her name to Portia Lee James DeGeneres, but still, she is known professionally as Portia de Rossi, which I'm sure is what most people are familiar with. ChamithN   (talk)  06:46, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2017
Add Ellen's Game Of Games under Television, Jdd1117 (talk) 02:10, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: This show has merely been announced. Many a slip may happen between announcing it and it actually airing.  When it airs, then it can easily be added. Please see also WP:TOOSOON.   Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 02:59, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect Date
Elliot DeGeneres' birthdate is wrong. Her show says he was born in 1926. Bleucheeses (talk) 02:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2018
Camryn01 (talk) 15:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC) Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2018
Camryn01 (talk) 15:47, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Ellen's middle name is not Lee, it is Dancemove! Exclamation mark and all..
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Jewish/Christian
Is it possible she is of jewish descent? Is there any genealogy to prove she is not? User: Batman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.208.107.195 (talk) 16:22, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Time Magazine.
This article claims she came out on the Oprah show. However, on that episode of Oprah they clearly state that she has already come out in an issue of Time Magazine.

Time Magazine seems to agree that she came out publically for the first time in their April 14, 1997 issue: http://time.com/4728994/ellen-degeneres-1997-coming-out-cover/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.247.165.115 (talk) 05:52, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Family
I don't know how else to reach out to Ellen. I work in a retirement center in Hayward California One of my residents was talking about the only family that she remembers and she said that Ellen is her cousin. It would be interesting to find out if she really is My residents name is Sharon Kincaid she was born in 5-5-1945. My name is Lois Kelly I can be reached At Bethesda Home 22427 Montgomery Street Hayward, CA 94541  510-538-8300

Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide

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No longer vegan?
I have seen quite a few articles from around the release of Finding Dory where Ellen discusses beeing vegan for years but now eating fish. Perhaps the section should be updated accordingly. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11672962 CallyMc (talk) 03:39, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Instagram and other social media updates
She has more followers on instagram, but is down to seventh position, and twitter followers probably need updating too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.43.160.240 (talk) 20:19, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Ellen DeGeneres as a game show host?
Should the Category:American game show hosts to be added because of Ellen DeGeneres hosting the NBC primetime game show Ellen's Game of Games? 207.102.255.247 (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Survey

 * I suppose The cat seems WP:DUE, but was this really an issue that needed an RfC to settle? I see no previous effort to sort out this most trivial of content questions here on the talk page. <b style="color: #19a0fd;">S</b><b style="color: #66c0fd">n</b><b style="color: #99d5fe;">o</b><b style="color: #b2dffe;">w</b> <b style="color: #d4143a">let's rap</b> 04:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Threaded discussion
This is not a RfC matter, see WP:RFCBEFORE and either discuss it here or just do it and be prepared to justify it if reverted. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 07:12, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * For the record, I believe this was done because the day before this was posted here, they posted directly to my user talk page (well, .248 instead of .247, but obviously likely the same person) to ask me to do it personally since the page is semi-protected and thus they couldn't do it themselves. Since I don't usually have any involvement in this article, however (and thus don't know why they chose to approach me personally), I advised them that it would be better to post an edit request to the talk page so that editors who are actually involved here on a regular basis could look after it. So most likely this ended up posted as an RFC because they misunderstood how to do a normal edit request. No biggie, as I see that the category's been added, but I just wanted to clarify the backstory. Bearcat (talk) 01:54, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * In which case, 207.102.255.247 may find WP:PER useful. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 06:05, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Early life
Ellen elaborated about her first girlfriend's death, prior to her Carson appearance. The material used in the Carson show can directly attributed to that life event, yet it is nowhere referenced on the wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.73.29.214 (talk) 22:18, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

She said she did not work at TGIF's during the monologue on season 15 episode 118 of the "The Ellen DeGeneres Show" (Kendall Jenner; Becca Kufrin, Portugal: The Man).

> Her early jobs included working at J. C. Penney,[12] and being a waitress at T.G.I. Friday's and another restaurant, a house painter, a hostess, and a bartender. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.254.58.254 (talk) 22:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Is Ellen an "LGBT activist"
Hi everyone. Should our article describe Ellen as an "LGBT activist"? Several months ago,  the language, which I, and it has been. What is the consensus of editors: in or out? Thank you. Leviv&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 15:21, 7 April 2019 (UTC)