Talk:Ellen DeGeneres/Archive 2

"Her People"
Ellen is a big Hollywood celebrity and understandably "her people" run her affairs, but opportunity and determination to see her show does not sit well with fans supporting her when they travel across the country and "her people" put them in the Riff Raff Room. After having long waited tickets in our hand, and a three hour wait in the rain outside the studio, it was continues to be very frustating to see her everyday with guest and her "give aways" when we used our vacation money to travel to California. I have tried let HER know, but "her people" do not hand off these presentations to this Star. Linda George209.244.189.70 (talk) 02:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Its a commercail get over it and the riff raff room wel all the talks do it so get over it. P.S. This isnt a Opinion Forum.  Trees Rock Plant A Tree! 23:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

archiving copy of dog dispute in case we ever want this
On 16 October 2007, DeGeneres made an impassioned on-air plea for the return of a dog, Iggy, she and Portia de Rossi adopted from Mutts and Moms dog rescue agency three weeks prior. Her hairdresser's daughter Ruby bonded with Iggy so DeGeneres transferred ownership in violation of the adoption agreement. Agency owner Marina Batkis retrieved Iggy while the family filmed the event. The family called for police intervention, but a microchip in the dog was still registered to the agency, so the dog was returned to the rescue agency. DeGeneres' agents left a voice mail for Batkis soon-after stating (in part) "We're filing a legal case against you. We're going to be contacting the media. This is not going to be good for your store or your organization." DeGeneres acknowledged she had violated the agreement and begged the agency to reconsider the decision but Iggy was placed in a new home. On 18 October 2007 DeGeneres reported that the owners of the rescue agency received death threats and she asked that people not use violence as a means to an end. She also said that this was the last time she would talk about this subject unless Iggy was eventually given to Ruby who has declined offers of other dogs as replacement.

Iggygate Reference
This incident was incredibly notable, picked up by countless mainstream media outlets. Below are just a handful from dozens.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-iggygate18oct18,0,7618607.story?coll=la-home-entertainment http://www.salon.com/ent/video_dog/media/2007/10/19/iggygate/ http://www.etonline.com/news/2007/10/55168/ http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/5295685.html http://docs.newsbank.com/g/GooglePM/MWSB/lib00252,11C63CF8795D4998.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21534005/

For those that aren't devout followers of the show, this is arguably the most well-known moment from The Ellen DeGeneres Show. The Youtube videos on this incident have tens of thousands of views. I think it definitely needs to be included, as it started a little firestorm in late 2007. It just doesn't seem appropriate to leave it out.208.179.160.78 (talk) 03:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)Harriet
 * Woof. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Umm... what? siℓℓy rabbit ( talk )


 * Which one of us are you talking to? It's about the stupid dog. Big deal. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how much weight to put on this but below is a start. -- Banj e  b oi   03:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Your proposal (below) looks much more suitable for inclusion in an article then the original edit. However, as you say, weight would seem to be the deciding factor.  It doesn't grab me particularly, but Ellen is known for her affection for animals.  Perhaps this should be included in a section on something of that sort.  siℓℓy rabbit  ( talk ) 05:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's an excellent suggestion, it could be bundled with her support of that livestock proposition and the Covergirl make-up testing drama as well as her ad campaign for American Express thereby contextualizing these down to the salient issues. I wonder if we have any more background explaining her love/advocacy of animals? -- Banj e  b oi   05:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Potential content
In October 2007, DeGeneres made an uncharacteristically tearful on-air plea for the return of a dog she and de Rossi adopted but gave to her hairdresser's daughter - who had bonded with the animal - in violation of the adoption agreement. The dog had been taken back by the adoption agency and placed in a new home. Soon after the owners of the agency received threats which Degeneres condemned stating she would no longer talk about the subject.

Discussion

 * Comment. I'm somewhat neutral on this. It was a big deal at the time and we covered it then. And then it was over. -- Banj e  b oi   03:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose putting it in. I removed it recently, referring to the incident as a tempest in a teapot. I believe that it was a minor incident that was blown way out of proportion, and then blew over. I don't think it was ever encyclopedic, and I don't think it's near encyclopedic now. I also take exception to the idea that this is the most, or one of the most, notable events from the show. It was a minor event. It happened. It's over. Are we going to cover every time DeGeneres is in the media for something? She's a public figure. This article would never end. Kolindigo (talk) 06:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

List of Ellen episodes
Yo, I just rewrote List of Ellen episodes, but I haven't actually seen any eps, so I'm constructing summaries from several different episodes guides on the net. If anyone could look over them and make sure they're okay, or even write a few yourself, I would be grateful. Thankyou. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Vegetarian
I've heard that Ellen is a vegetarian, but I can't seem to find any reliable sources. Does anyone know this for sure? Phoenix1304 (talk) 09:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Idol Gives Back
Ellen will co-host Idol Gives Back again. Banje boi 14:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Marriage
I had to add ap google link as reference and add specifics, there is no citation: On her May 16, 2008 "The Ellen DeGeneres Show," she announced that she and partner Portia de Rossi ("Ally McBeal," "Nip/Tuck") will be getting married. The sudden decision was made after the legalization of gay marriage in the State of California.ap.google.com, DeGeneres, de Rossi plan to marry, AP is told --Florentino floro (talk) 10:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * California no longer recognizes these marraiges. How is it dealt with now?--Jojhutton (talk) 13:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It remains to be seen how California will treat marriages contracted before Prop 8 passed. The AG seems to think they can remain valid, despite the plain language of the proposition.  In any case, I don't see why it matters what CA law says; WP is not an agency of the State of California, so it's not bound by CA law.  They had a wedding, therefore they are married; whether their local government recognises the marriage is a matter between it and them.  -- Zsero (talk) 16:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem gets to be how "marriage" is defined. There is both a legal and a spiritual component to marriage. Liberal church ministers have been "marrying" gays for a long time. It's the legal side of it that's in question. And obviously the California courts will at some point have to decide whether to "grandfather" those ceremonies or not - and also decide whether it really matters or not, i.e. whether there is any legal benefit - such as whether they can legally file a joint state income tax return. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How the CA courts will deal with it is an interesting question, but not relevant here. WP is not based in CA, and is not governed by CA law. Federal law has never recognised this marriage. AIUI WP is based in FL, and FL law has never recognised this marriage either, so if we were to go down that road then no WP article should ever recognise any same-sex couple as married.  But I don't think we should go down that road at all; if a couple hold themselves out as married, and are recognised as married by their society, then WP should go along with it, regardless of what laws happen to be in effect in their locality at any given time.  Let the State of CA worry about their tax status or whatever. -- Zsero (talk) 17:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Generally speaking, the legal side of marriage is defined at the state level, not the federal level. There are growing exceptions, e.g. the full-faith-and-credit clause is effectively being denied by states that don't want to recognize non-traditional "marriages", such as same-sex or polygamous. Also, the fed obviously determines what it will recognize as a "marriage", for purposes of the 1040. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The Full Faith and Credit clause has never required states to recognise marriages that could not have been performed in those states; all it requires is that states not deny a document or act recognition merely for having been done in another state. In any case, the constitution explicitly gives Congress the power to define the operation of the FFC clause, and Congress has said (in DOMA) that states don't have to recognise each other's same-sex marriages.  But none of this has to be relevant to WP;  DeGeneres and de Rossi are married, whether or not their state recognises it. -- Zsero (talk) 18:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There are two components of marriage, legal and spiritual. They can stay spiritually married as long as they want to. They can only be legally married if the state of California decides that the legal component of their marriage remains legal following the November 4th vote on the matter; or if they move to a state that does recognize same-sex marriages and either get "re-"married or if that state will regard them as already married. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, WP is based AIUI in FL, so if you're worried about the legal status of a marriage then we should never recognise any same-sex marriage, anywhere in the world. But that doesn't seem to be the way we do things.  FL law rules for copyright issues, i.e. for the law that WP as a corporation obeys, but doesn't govern article content.  -- Zsero (talk) 18:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The location of the wikipedia servers has nothing to do with the status of their "marriage", nor does copyright law. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc?
 * This just shows POV to me and proves Wikipedia isn't an encyclopaedia. Ellen's domestic partner is a woman, and her legal "marriage license" was revoked. As such she is not married. --210.9.143.68 (talk) 05:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think MOS:IDENTITY can help us here. We use a transgender person's latest preference of gender pronoun when refering to them, regardless of whether their local government recognizes them as such. While this is obviously not the same situation, I think the spirit of that guideline can be applied here; a couple should be refered to as married if they consider themselves married. A note that the state of California no longer recognizes their marriage (if this is the case; I haven't heard anything solid on this yet) seems appropriate, though. Jomasecu talk contribs 19:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Wedding guests: "... their respective mothers." Wrong. The mothers are not individually listed, so "respective" does not belong. "...their mothers." is correct. "respective" has a specific meaning, although many people who write on Wikipedia have no clue about it. Please try to write in English, not Internet Illiterate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.154.225.212 (talk) 04:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

The sentence stating that the status of Portia and Ellen's marriage is in "doubt" because of Prop 8 needs either to be removed or amended following the California Supreme Court's ruling today. The court maintained Prop 8, but added that the lack of any "retroactive" language in the Proposition meant that any same-sex couples already married are still married. So it's not in doubt. And it seems, from the wording of the opinion, that it will never be in doubt as a result of that particular Proposition. 71.98.73.82 (talk) 21:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Can the state supreme court judgement be appealed to the united states supreme court?? A to the Lex (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

"On November 17, 2005, the show was played in reverse."
What does this mean? In reverse how? The tape backwards or what? I believe this statement should either be expanded upon or removed. CapnZapp (talk) 11:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

"making it the second time she hosted the Emmys following a national tragedy."
And the first? CapnZapp (talk) 11:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

"tended to by a male nurse"
Why is the sex of the nurse significant here? CapnZapp (talk) 11:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Jewish
She has stated many times that she is Jewish, how come it's not on her page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.73.141 (talk) 03:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it has little to nothing to do with her notability? Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Issues of religion need to be sourced reliably so start there. -- <u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Banj e  <u style="font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   14:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Forget about reliable source - right now I'd like even an unreliable source for this! I've never heard of it, and a quick web search doesn't yield anything obvious, so where are these "many times" that she's stated it?  I suspect the anon editor is trying something on. -- Zsero (talk) 18:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And, (@ User:144.134.73.141), on another tack, if we establish she is not jewish, do we add a bit that says "she is not jewish"? Of course not. That too is irrelevant to her notability. Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 22:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * According to adherents.com, she grew up a Christian Scientist. 204.52.215.107 (talk) 05:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Vegan
User:Sugarcubez added a paragraph about Ellen having been a vegetarian 10 years ago, with a reliable source (Ellen on video saying so), and about her recently becoming vegan, but that had no reliable source, just some blogger repeating what she'd heard on the grapevine, and a news sheet repeating what the blog said. And about how this made her Cover Girl gig controversial, again without a reliable source. The only reliable thing there was that 10 years ago she was a vegetarian, but we don't know for how long. She certainly hasn't been one for all this time; she's openly written about eating meat quite recently. And if it was only for a short time it's not significant, unless it can be cast as a precursor to her current veganism, which we must first confirm from a RS. -- Zsero (talk) 18:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC) DeGeneres is a longtime animal rights advocate, and was a vegetarian in 1998, and recently became fully vegan after talking with Oprah and reading the book Skinny Bitch. Her marriage to Portia de Rossi was an all vegan wedding. This has led to some criticism for her involvement being the face of CoverGirl, which is owned by Procter & Gamble, a known animal testing company.

discussion
I agree the sourcing could be better but their does seem to be something to this.
 * Inside Ellen & Portia’s ‘Green’ Velvet Wedding Cake - "talks about the special ingredients used to create Ellen and Portia’s “green” vegan red velvet wedding cake."
 * FIRST LOOK: Ellen & Portia's Wedding Album "the couple and their guests sat down for an all-vegan menu prepared by their personal chef David Silberkleit while Sweet Lady Jane created a vegan red velvet cake for the celebration."
 * Ellen: I Didn't Think I Was Missing Anything "DeGeneres said there was no best man at their gay wedding – it was “nontraditional but not weird” – and featured a red velvet cake because they're both vegans."

I would support better sourcing and clarity to re-include this. -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#CC00CC">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   22:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * this is a reliable source that they're vegans. So that can go in.  How much else?  Is it relevant that ten years ago, for some unspecified time, she was a vegetarian, but then gave that up?  -- Zsero (talk) 22:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that comes down to better writing. "Although she has been associated with both animals rights advocacy and vegetarianism ..." i agree that pinning 1998 seems unhelpful. -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#CC00CC">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   23:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Picture
It's not terribly flattering. It should be replaced with a well lit picture. The current picture looks too much like a mug shot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.64.214 (talk) 03:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you find one that's not copyright? If so, feel free to upload it and replace this one.  Or if you don't know how, point us at the picture and we'll do it.  But we can't use copyright pictures.  -- Zsero (talk) 04:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * We could send the current one to the image lab for clean-up - they do great work. -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#CC00CC">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   18:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

General Bio
Don't know how to edit this -- but Ellen did not come out on the Oprah Winfrey Show first, she came out on the cover of TIME and then in an interview with Diane Sawyer aired on 20/20. It is true that Winfrey was on the coming out episode of ELLEN, but Degeneres went to the Oprah show after TIME and 20/20. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UsefulMusic (talk • contribs) 01:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Individual details
Should be something on some of her more notable characteristics and catchphrases, such as almost never wearing dresses or skirts (which is thie point of the "You know me, any excuse to put on a dress" remark). AnonMoos (talk) 13:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Covergirl
2 bits have been removed: Critics have noted a degree of hypocrisy in Ellen's support for California's (2008) Proposition 2, an animal rights  proposal, and her role with Cover Girl Cosmetics, one of the remaining cosmetics  companies that still uses animals for testing its products.

and

P&G, maker of CoverGirl cosmetics, does not test beauty products on animals; nor do we ask suppliers to test them on our behalf. We do not test beauty ingredients on animals, except in rare cases when needed to meet regulatory or safety obligations. For more information on our full policy, visit http://www.pgbeautyscience.com/animal-testing-alternatives.html.

Neither seems to belong.

Remember wp:blp before readding.

Ellen (sitcom, 1994–1998)
There's a sentence in this section which seems ungrammatical to me: "Subsequently her character on the sitcom came out of the closet in April to her    therapist, played by Oprah Winfrey, that she was gay. Doesn't "came out of the closet" imply that she was gay, so you don't need to say "that she was gay" at the end of the sentence?  I would suggest either lopping off "that she was gay" or changing it to "came out of the closet as gay" as alternatives, and will change it to one of these alternatives if there are no strong objections.Savacek (talk) 18:09, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Closeted can be many different things but a rewording may help. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   19:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

! presence
o come on, if your not ganna let us edit the site, at least be better with silly (subtly humorous i might add) things like this:

"... and would later re-establish herself as a successful talk show host!"

fix por favor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.18.9.157 (talk) 00:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out, I have fixed it. The reason the article is semi-protected is because of a steady stream of vandalism/experimentation by new users. The . was changed to a ! by an IP user 10 days ago during a period when the article was unprotected. We're a lot of regular editors keeping an eye on this article, but the vandalism/experimentation has been too heavy to keep up with small subtle changes like the one you found, hence why the protection was switched on again. Siawase (talk) 12:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

womack and womack teardrops video
she is in the video "teardrops by womack and womack before she was famous

simon lock —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.41.15 (talk) 21:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Decision to be an American Idol Judge
Some interesting links to provide content to the article. this... and this - Ellen has a controversy section?: Fued with Simon Cowell - This has been developed in the past. -- A3RO (mailbox)  01:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Ellen DeGeneres Show
DeGeneres launched a daytime television talk show, The Ellen DeGeneres Show in September 2003. Amid a crop of several celebrity-hosted talk shows surfacing in at the beginning of that season, such as those of Sharon Osbourne and Rita Rudner, her show has consistently risen in the Nielsen Ratings and received widespread critical praise.

The second sentence needs the word 'in' deleted (near beginning). EyeKnows (talk) 01:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Mike Allen talk · contribs 02:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

2001 Emmy Awards quote
DeGeneres is quoted "We're told to go on living our lives as usual, because to do otherwise is to let the terrorists win, and really, what would upset the Taliban more than a homosexual woman wearing a suit in front of a room full of Jews?" But that's not really what she says, is it? watch here --Devilsanddust (talk) 11:42, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

✅ -- Zsero (talk) 13:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this is minor...
This is probably minor, but the Ellen DeGeneres Show in the Television table looks out of place. At least to me, it looks like it should either be with the other 2003 shows, or if not there, then it should be at the very bottom of the list below American Idol. Either the table is sorted by when the show originated, or when it ended. Originated then placed in 2003; ended or ongoing then at the bottom. BashBrannigan (talk) 06:18, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Ellen - Will & Grace
I'd like to add that Ellen Degeneres appeared in an episode of "Will & Grace" in 2001. She played a quirky nun who bought Grace's lemon of a car. The episode was entitled "My Uncle the Car" from season three (Original Airdate: 2/15/01). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glenb1979 (talk • contribs) 14:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It might be undue, she's been a guest star on many shows so noting them all, as entertaining as they may be doesn't seem that helpful. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   14:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Nick wellings, 22 May 2010 Official New Link

 * Official World Domination Feature Page

Nick wellings (talk) 21:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Tim Pierce (talk) 19:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Halo Pet Food
ellen degeneres owns a pet food company called halo. there needs to be info on that in here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe1997 (talk • contribs) 18:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

eleveneleven
Ellen actually came up with the name 'eleveneleven' as the number eleven holds a certain significance to her in the fact that she often sees it in various places, one of them was that when she checks, her clock often reads 11:11. On her show, joking that "I’ve got to fix my clocks by the way". It wasn't just that she found Greyson on the 11th and that his soccer team number was 11. It should be added that this was just one of the factors in her choice for the record labels name. KaneRyles (talk) 20:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

TBS comedy specials
With this years 2010 being her 4th or 5th special, could we start a page dedicated to all her specials? Or at least have a larger subsection into this article.--Cooly123 16:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Supposed middle name Lee
That supposed middle name does not appear in the TV show's official bio. In fact, the only places it appears are on fansites such as ellendegeneres.info and on places that mirror this Wikipedia article. We cannot claim to give someone's middle name without a reliable source citation such as a public document or her own saying so in a newspaper/magazine/online interview, of which she's done hundreds. If she's never given her middle name in a single one of them, well, then were did this supposed name come from? --Tenebrae (talk) 20:23, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Minor Error
In the intro it should read "...film Finding Nemo, for which she WAS awarded a Saturn Award..." 87.160.140.110 (talk) 14:10, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

✅ - Thanks for the heads up. Siawase (talk) 15:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Owyman, 11 August 2010
editsemiprotected

Please change the phrase: "the first and only time a voice acting won a Saturn Award." to "the first and only time a voice acting PERFORMANCE won a Saturn Award.", because it seems to me the original is not proper English grammar.(I have written the newly included word in capitals merely to bring your attention to it, not to imply, of course, it should appear that way should the phrase be amended.)

Owyman (talk) 22:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Salvio  Let's talk 'bout it! 00:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

To add to Owyman's request, according to the Wikipedia page for Saturn Awards, Robin Williams previously won for his voice work in Aladdin, 1992. Therefore the assertion that Ellen's win is the first, and further that her win is the only, voice performance to win a Saturn, appears to be inaccurate. Realtyannie (talk) 11:38, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Ellen was raised a Christian Scientist, but it's wrong to say she is one now.
By verifiable sources, she doesn't seem to believe in an afterlife, either. I don't think living people should be categorized unless there is clear evidence for such assertions. 67.243.7.245 (talk) 01:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The article states she was raised a Christian Scientist. She is no longer practicing I believe, in which case we should then add the category Former Christian Scientists. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 23:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Organizations
Wouldnt it be a good ideo to put the Organizations and causes she supports? –Jordin Wilson

Age Update
Ellen is now 56 as of January 26, 2014.

First Comedienne To Appear on Carson?
I understand that Degeneres' website says this, however most sources that I have found say that Roseanne Barr was first in 1985. Could someone with editing privileges on the page check that?

KeithApplebyPhD (talk) 16:15, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2019
"On May 1, 2009, DeGeneres celebrated her 1000th episode, featuring celebrity guests such as Oprah Winfrey, Justin Timberlake, and Paris Hilton, among others.[21]" Please remove 21st citation Citing a completely unreliable source with no editorial oversight. It's seems to be a promotional WP:CIRCULAR and itself contains no viable evidence or counter-references for supporting it's content/statements. 2401:4900:172A:C248:1:2:FFCB:542A (talk) 05:18, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: The site in question appears to have a page on its editorial policy. Why do you think it is circular/unreliable/without editorial policy? Izno (talk) 01:21, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2019
Ellen DeGeneres Net Worth: Ellen DeGeneres net worth increasing day by day. Here we shared with you the list of worth so, you can easily get the idea about how much Ellen DeGeneres net worth in particular year. Ellen DeGeneres net worth is approx $450 million in 2019. as well as worth Ellen DeGeneres net worth list. Sarvaratchagan (talk) 13:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * ❌, mainly because you've been spamming refs to this site as your first edits.  Why are you saying "we" and not "I"?  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 14:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Edit Grammar
Under television career, in the third paragraph, the second sentence should have a comma after "GAE April."

Roy Gruessendorf molested Ellen?
Ellen says that she was molested by her stepfather. The only stepfather ellen seems to have had is Roy Gruessendorf. So is he the one who molested Ellen? Is Ellen's mother still coupled with Roy Gruessendorf?

STDS Does anyone know about DeGeneres' health problems? She must have quite a few. There was a period of time when she looked stiff when she was dancing (does she still dance at all?), and I've seen her conduct shows when she had some kind of cold or flu. I am gae  Is there no information available on her health? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.38.185.65 (talk) 21:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Transgender people
2600:1014:B066:661D:0:27:1EFD:D201 (talk) 23:54, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — <b style="font-family:Ariel; color:red">IVORK</b> <b style="font-family:Ariel; color:Green; font-size:x-small">Talk</b> 00:43, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2020
Change "she is also an active member of Parents & Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG)" to "she is also an active member of PFLAG"

PFLAG is no longer an acronym, it's just the name now. 2601:246:8000:6C00:A5B7:10A0:225B:966B (talk) 15:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Per MOS:1STOCC, the first time the acronym occurs in the article, the full version has to be accompanied. Since PFLAG occurs once, the full version has to be included too. &#123;&#123;replyto&#125;&#125; Can I Log In's (talk) page 18:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism in July 2020
The protection of this page should probably be upped. The user Mdeav has been vandalizing the page and promoting a personal account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxchristman (talk • contribs) 04:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

the "#ripellen" hashtag is currently trending on Twitter, not sure if it is a hoax, what is the process of having the page protected? Ecleric (talk) 05:36, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This page is semi-protected and the account responsible for the vandalism has been blocked. It doesn't look like we need to change the protection level at this time, but if you ever need to request page protection in the future, just add an entry over at Requests for page protection.  gobonobo  + c 09:17, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Working conditions talkshow
No reference to working conditions in their show!--Falkmart (talk) 15:02, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Misleading
It says that "allegations were made that she instigated ... sexual harassment against her staff", which can be interpreted as she's the one who committed sexual harassment, but it was her executive producer. Wikipedia is not a magazine headline, let's make things clear and not spread misinformation and sensationalism please. Pildeiga (talk) 01:32, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I am appalled that most of this bilge has not gotten a hard axe-chop. I am not getting involved in it.Shajure (talk) 06:26, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Not getting involved either. It's a mess. Pildeiga (talk) 01:42, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Explosion of rumors in the controversies section
This is waaay too much soup for from 1 oyster. These kinds of sections are problematic, and inclusion of allegations of "mean" behaviour seem inappropriate in a wp:blp. I think most of this entire section is a candidate for the editorial axe. Shajure (talk) 16:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have placed as tag to merge that section into the rest of the article. You would think she was only known for controversy. That section has grown so large that this BLP has become a COATRACK. --- C &amp; C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe this information should be put in The Ellen DeGeneres Show rather than her bio as they are more about the show than her. Morbidthoughts (talk) 20:57, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Please stop edit-warring and removing reliably sourced information from the controversy section and discuss here.

Now, I see that you previously removed nearly the entire text from the section, which was a good call as in my view it just listed a bunch of grievances from people towards Degeneres and largely WP:UNDUE. However, there was nothing "Superfluous/POV" about my edit. One, it was reliably sourced and written in NPOV language. Secondly, it is information that has received significant coverage.

The controversy over the summer was about the toxic working environment on the show AND Degeneres' own behaviour/actions towards others, spurred on by the Kevin T. Porter twitter thread. Both should be mentioned. I made the edit to avoid the mess that was previously there but also not to completely omit due material. I think it's a fair balance.

Degeneres' conduct/behaviour and stories from employees/colleagues and others has been covered in the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, The Independent, Forbes, The Atlantic, Business Insider and many generally reliable entertainment news magazines and websites. She even addressed it on the first episode of the season. The content should stay. --Crowell78 (talk) 18:19, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This is an encyclopedia not a tabloid. Every note of even reliably referenced content does not need to belong. If you still disagree then build consensus for the content you wish to add.  Glee anon 18:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)


 * You are the only one so far who thinks it doesn't belong. If you refuse to discuss the validity of the case presented, then third-party arbitration is the only way this will be solved, because I have seen no tangible arguments from you. --Crowell78 (talk) 18:52, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That is incorrect. In general "controversies" section content should be integrated into the article.  They are problematic, resulting in coatracking, edit warring, and pointless conflict.Shajure (talk) 03:30, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

The current disagreement is about whether to include
 * Degeneres' own past behavior towards others also came under scrutiny, with many prominent celebrities such as Kevin Hart and Katy Perry coming to her defence while others such as Brad Garrett and Lea Thompson corroborated the negative experiences.

in the controversy section. I think that this is a reasonable paragraph to add, since the interaction with celebrities has been a significant part of the controversy, and it shows that there is actual controversy and it is not one-sided. However, I can also see that it is a bit problematic, since there is necessary cherry-picking in a sentence like this and the controversy is about the show, not about celebrities.

Gbear605 (talk) 19:32, 16 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Part of the controversy is about DeGeneres' own conduct and this is her page, not the show's. As I stated above, I was all in favor for the axing of most of the section as it just amounted to character assassination. I'm also all for editors changing and improving the wording of the content in my edit. I'm just against blatant censorship of content for no real other reasoning then what can be described as WP:IDONTLIKEIT. --Crowell78 (talk) 19:45, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It’s all essentially character assassination, and BLPs are to be written conservatively.Using other celebrities really doesn’t tell any information, pick any issue and you can easily find Ellen joking about it, and other celebrities who agree and disagree = meaningless.This entire controversy, as yet, seems to revolve around the three producers who left. If anything there is a case to lay blame on her if it came out she gave them specific instructions to behave that way. It still may come out in the future but only time will tell. Meanwhile this is WP:TABLOIDy and not worth covering.  Glee anon 20:13, 16 October 2020 (UTC)


 * That the entire controversy relates only to the executive producers is a bit of a whitewash, but there's plenty of coverage regarding Ellen's disturbing behaviour in RS that leaving it out and having the current section without the additional context doesn't make sense. I mean the New York Times did a whole piece on it even before all of this controversy.


 * In her return, she addressed the toxic work environment allegations as well as her "be kind" position, referencing the stories that have come out about her not being a nice person. So we are mentioning one aspect but not the other? One which she even acknowledged. There's really nothing controversial about this addition at all. --Crowell78 (talk) 20:49, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Gbear605, since you are the only other editor to comment and agreed that the info should be included, perhaps you could suggest an improvement in the wording if needed. Note that the "others" refers not just to the celebs. The current tag should also be removed, the sub-section titled something like "toxic work place environment and behavioral allegations" per WP:Criticism. --Crowell78 (talk) 18:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The controversies section needs to be integrated into the rest of the article. I’m working on a 2018 section that will help transition the prose, then the controversies section can be added. Until then the controversies section tag belongs as these kind of sections are inappropriate for biographies, they are generally a sign of bad editing.  Glee anon 21:17, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Controversies sections by themselves aren't necessarily bad, if sub-sections titles convey what they are about per WP:CRIT. You'll also find that many of the RS above and others explicitly use the term "controversies" when referencing this subject. Having said that, integration of content into the rest of the article is better if possible, so I'm all for it. As long as it's written in an WP:NPOV manner of course. --Crowell78 (talk) 22:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2020
Add that Ellen faced backlash after she was spotted wearing a mask around her neck in Hollywood just 9 days after her diagnosis.

142.177.56.169 (talk) 02:53, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I would oppose that. First WP is not a news site and most especially not a Hollywood gossip rag.  Second... many people do not wear masks at all.Shajure (talk) 06:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: In addition, likely WP:RECENTISM and I would like a better source than a gossip site before including negative material in a WP:BLP article. Melmann 11:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Undue weight
Twice removed content added by User:MainlyTwelve due to undue weight. If wanted they may gain consensus here to add content regarding twitter, though the addition feels trivial and excessive. The One I Left (talk) 04:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The content you added balances what you striked. It's a key part of what happened, maybe even the main thrust of it; the section/article are incomplete without it. There are more sources than the ones I added, I only stopped because I felt I'd proven that the Twitter video was notable. — Mainly 04:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * What you added on twitter was not the "key part of what happened". There had been various takes and critiques on twitter, but I disagree that it was "notable". What you added seemed excessive, however I do think the line: "Her friendly interactions with Bush, captured by stadium cameras, attracted criticism due to the opposition to same-sex marriage by Bush, his administration and his responsibility for the Iraq War and its associated torture and civilian deaths" is sufficient enough. The One I Left (talk) 05:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well what I added was reporting in reference to something that occurred on Twitter, not from Twitter itself, and beyond the sourcing what I added referenced the information's spread across the internet. The sentence you cite is sufficient when it comes to describing what occurred in the stadium and the basis for criticism of DeGeneres, but does not describe the criticism itself. That's what the content you removed does. — Mainly 05:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Disagree. It describes the event, and why there would be controversy, "attracted criticism due to the opposition to same-sex marriage by Bush, his administration and his responsibility for the Iraq War and its associated torture and civilian deaths". It's a pretty firm explanation as to the criticism. Your content seems overly specific and extraneous.The One I Left (talk) 05:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Controversy in top section
As that 2020 controversy regarding Ellen has since became inactive, is now an alright time to remove it and possibly place it into it's own section? I can see with recent news why you would want it nearer to the top, but is this considered older? (newer editor here) DannyDouble (talk) 21:49, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It was and is of dubious value in an encyclopedia... wp:notnews. I support moving down into the body, as at most a single sentence (not a section), or boiling it down to references only in the body.  It's all just celebrity hype and angst.Shajure (talk) 00:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Ratings
In the section headed "2003–present", it says "her show has consistently risen in the Nielsen ratings". This is unsubstantiated and untrue (though it may have been true 15 years ago). Her ratings have been dropping for years, as have most programs of that genre, not to mention the huge drop since the scandals, broke. A discussion of the ratings appears here: https://www.thewrap.com/ellen-show-ratings-decline-ellen-degeneres-exit-season-19/

== End date of a show without a known end date... ==

WP:RS - I am not the immediately reverting the creative writing again. I suspect it is probably correct. But here in WP, we use the published sources. *Perhaps* we might change it to "possibly 2020" or "unclear" or something, and give the source. The current content is pure fiction, based on the opinion of the editor. The editor should ideally either remove it or source it.Shajure (talk) 18:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ... after consideration, I'll simply remove the 2nd date and leave it blank. This will match the source (none... no content).Shajure (talk) 18:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * on further review... I don't care. It is probably correct.  Probably.Shajure (talk) 18:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Ellen DeGeneres's Age
Ellen DeGeneres is going to be 64 in 25 days (26th of January). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.109.139 (talk) 00:39, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 January 2020 and 5 May 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Gyc6836. Peer reviewers: Maggie.rodriguez28.

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Haunting infobox picture?
Maybe its just me, but the infobox picture is weirdly haunting. Its like Ellen is staring into my soul. Is there a better photo that could be used? Also, she seems to be in the middle of speaking so its not a particularly great photo in general. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 04:10, 30 April 2022 (UTC)


 * It's not you and no, at least not yet. -  FlightTime Phone  ( open channel ) 04:55, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Years active
She is still active, change it back Joe332737 (talk) 21:25, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2022
Dates of the Ellen DeGeneres show need to be changes from 2002 to 2022 Dbainsford (talk) 04:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Typographical error on the Ellen DeGeneres show dates Dbainsford (talk) 04:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like there is pretty strong sourcing for fall 2003, not 2002. Larry Hockett (Talk) 04:27, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Twitch
I would hope that Ellen would join together with Twitch’s associates and friends, other dancers. Ellen, Steve Harvey and all the other people that were his friends and create a fund me for his beautiful family. 24.192.231.195 (talk) 02:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

A 2 yr old daughter Mckenzie singing
Mckenzie is a 2 yr old and she love to dance and some 72.68.75.27 (talk) 06:48, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Biography
Ellen Lee DeGeneres (/dəˈdʒɛnərəs/ də-JEN-ər-əs; born January 26, 1958) often referred to mononymously as Ellen, is an American comedian, television host, actress, writer, and producer. She starred in the sitcom Ellen from 1994 to 1998, which earned her a Primetime Emmy Award for "The Puppy Episode". She also hosted the syndicated television talk show, The Ellen DeGeneres Show from 2003 to 2022, for which she received 33 Daytime Emmy Awards. DeGeneres was born and raised in Metairie, Louisiana, to Elizabeth Jane "Betty" (née Pfeffer), born 1930), a speech therapist, and Elliott Everett DeGeneres (1925–2018), an insurance agent. She has one brother, Vance, a musician and producer. Of French, English, German, and Irish descent, she was raised a Christian Scientist. Her parents filed for separation in 1973 and were divorced the following year. Shortly after, her mother married Roy Gruessendorf, a salesman. Betty Jane and Ellen moved with Gruessendorf from the New Orleans area to Atlanta, Texas. Vance stayed with his father. When she was 15 or 16 years old, DeGeneres was molested by her stepfather.Gruessendorf used her mother's recent breast cancer diagnosis as an excuse to touch her inappropriately, saying he needed to examine her breasts for lumps. Eventually, he tried to break down her door and sexually assault her, prompting her to run away from home and spend the night in a hospital. DeGeneres told her mother about the abuse a few years later, but Betty Jane did not believe her, and remained married to Gruessendorf for 18 years afterward. She finally realized that DeGeneres had been telling the truth when his accounts of his behavior toward his stepdaughter kept changing. Gruessendorf died in 1997. DeGeneres graduated from Atlanta High School in May 1976, after completing her first years of high school at Grace King High School in Metairie. She moved back to New Orleans to attend the University of New Orleans, where she majored in communication studies. 58.97.224.106 (talk) 08:14, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Cancelled
why there is no mention of the fact how mean she was to the staff and why she got cancelled? 188.125.209.92 (talk) 17:28, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * There’s a section about it under Personal Life. Larry Hockett (Talk) 17:38, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is this section under "personal life"? It is not about her personal life, it is specifically about her behavior at work and the environment she tolerated/encouraged on the set of her show. Bingpop (talk) 03:16, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have to agree - this article feels extremely sanitised. Theknightwho (talk) 01:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)