Talk:Ellen Evert Hopman

Accuracy concerns
I understand that the subject of this article had it removed. I have recreated it with everything sourced and cited. Please do not add any information to the article unless you can supply a citation to an author biography, either from one of the subject's published books or from online publisher biographies, interviews, etc.

Please note that Wikipedia's verifiability policy may mean that some information will be out of date. For example, the sources on the web all state that the subject is the vice president of the Henge of Keltia. It may be, for example, that she no longer is, but if there is no citable source for that information, it cannot be included in the article. Thus for such potentially temporary positions, it may be best not to claim currency by using "has held the position" rather than "is".

The subject of the article is of course welcome to discuss concerns on this talk page. I (and I assume other editors) will be happy to find a way to address these concerns within the limits of Wikipedia policy. If it is not possible to add new information as there is no source to verify it against, then the out-of-date information could simply be removed, for example. -999 (Talk) 16:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Re: my addition on Sept. 6th: I am aware of the problems with this listing, and only included this info about her position with Whiteoak because Ms. Hopman herself sent it to me in a letter just hours before concerning this very issue. I am not the person who has been messing with this listing or posting the non-factual info, and I immediately informed Ms. Hopman of my addition. Rosencomet 18:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there's a problem there. A letter from Ms. Hopman does not satisfy WP verifiability requirements as it is not publicly accessible. It's fine to add as long as there is a citation to a publicly accessible source for the information. -999 (Talk) 19:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

References are junk references - lets take it to arbitration
She can't use her owon website as a source etc. Doesn't she have any legitimate credentials? Timmy12 02:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, the subject's website can be used as a source. It is clearly stated in WP:V:
 * Material from self-published sources, and other published sources of dubious reliability, may be used as sources of information about themselves in articles about themselves
 * Please familiarize yourself more thoroughly with WP policy before making such a nuisance of yourself. Thanks. Ekajati 14:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The subject's website cannot be used as the only source for her credentials and notability. It can be used to cite information pertaining to the website itself as a subject. Please familiarize yourself more thoroughly with WP policy before making statements such as the above. Thanks. Timmy12 13:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I believe you are wrong. I've quoted the applicable policy, now you quote the part that says what you claim, if you can. Meanwhile, please stop your inappropriate tagging of various articles. Thanks. Ekajati 14:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Listcruft
Rather than saddle this article with the listcruft banner, I am removing the "list of appearances". Per Thatcher's statement in the Starwood Arbitration, these lists really don't add to the articles. I think appearances at events are only worth including if they are somehow notable/important to the career of the subject. If they are truly important/notable to the career of the subject, that information should be integrated into the article in a meaningful way that does not assert undue importance. ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫ ♦ ♫ 00:51, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I totally disagree. A list of appearances is just as notable to a professional lecturer and workshop facilitator as a bibliography is to an author and a discography is to a recording artist. The venues that a lecturer appears at and the ones that will engage them tell a LOT about their careers, and there is no better way to present them than in a bulleted list. To try to write text incorporating them is as ridiculous as trying to write text for an author incorporating all their book titles, publishers, publication dates and ISBN numbers, yet this is obviously notable data. This material is encyclopedic. Rosencomet 01:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

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