Talk:Ellie Cole

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please do not delete this page for this is an in the works page about a REAL paralympian who achieved silver in 2008

and her name is even mentioned on an INTERNAL wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_at_the_2008_Summer_Paralympics

i believe she has the earned the right to be an important Australian athlete. i shall be editing and updating this page when i have the time and materials to add — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.26.204.249 (talk) 16:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Great I'm glas she's mentioned here allraeady but we can't use ourselves as a reference. please see wp:rs and wp:athlete. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

ok i see well here is a mention of her on the offical australia institute of sport page #REDIRECT [] --Benjinaga (talk) 17:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

if anyone feels they want to add to this wikipedia entry feel free to add--Benjinaga (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Criteria 1 - Well written
Most likely a fail at the moment.
 * This needs work. For example, her height and weight doesn't belong under the education heading.
 * You need to do a general copy edit, and try to write paragraphs for each heading, not single sentences.
 * I doubt that you have checked things like Words to watch, Layout (particularly the order of sections bit), Manual of Style/Lead section carefully yet.
 * Another pass of spelling and grammar checks would be a good idea.

Criteria 2 - Factually accurate and verifiable (and some comments about references)
Close to pass, but a fail at the moment. Most things are referenced, but a few things are missing. I also have some general comments about referencing.
 * There are facts that are unreferenced. You need to check every sentence. "In 2010 at the IPC Swimming World Championships in Eindhoven, Netherlands she won two bronze medals in the women's 200m individual medley and 400m freestyle S9 events" is an example.
 * Don't double up on references - use reference names and just use each reference once, refering to it multiple times.
 * Just giving the url is insufficient for references. Use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angie_Ballard#References as an example for formatting them properly.

Criteria 3 - Broadness
I would probably fail it. It seems quite short for the amount of information availible.


 * There is no discussion of her disability and disability classification.
 * We need to know about her participation in events beyond medal placement.
 * The training subheading ought to be a paragraph, not a sentence.
 * I'm a little concerned about the number of distinct references used (too small). It makes me wary about the completeness.

Criteria 4 - Neutrality
Fine as far as I can tell.

Criteria 5 - Stability
I think that is fine.

Criteria 6 - Images
We need a full body shot in my view. Enquire as to if we can get any. JJ Harrison (talk) 10:59, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

More GA Notes

 * I've been through the words to watch and fixed one or two problems.
 * I think the 'Buckley, Jane. "A Guide to the Classification Systems used in Paralympic Sports"' reference is dubious with respect to WP:RS.
 * I've used a source straight from the IPC website. Graham 87 15:38, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The sentence " On 14 February 1994, aged three, her right leg was amputated above the knee" is incomplete. Was it because of the cancer?
 * Yes, I've clarified that part. Graham 87 15:38, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And where did the "14 February 1994" bit come from? Graham 87 15:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I've found it; it was in her APC profile. Graham 87 01:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Cole attended Mount Allison North Primary School and Frankston High School, both in Frankston, Victoria." seems unreferenced. The rest of it seems good, excepting the above self-published source.

1. Well-written
This is the main remaining problem. I've checked Manual of Style/Words to watch, Manual of Style/Layout and they seem ok. The lede needs a little expansion and checking I think. The whole thing needs minor formatting fixes and a copyedit. JJ Harrison (talk) 14:47, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've expanded the lead section. Graham 87 01:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

2012 captain
"Ellie Cole is captain of the Australian Paralympic Team" was added on 21 May 2012 with http://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Arts_Culture_and_Heritage/Frankstons_Hall_of_Fame/Hall_of_FameInductees_2010/Ellie_Cole/index.aspx as the reference.

The Telegraph said "..Australian Paralympic team captain Ellie Cole.." on 4 June 2012.

A new user has now (10 July 2012) removed this from our Wikipedia article. We should confirm it beyond doubt, and then put it back with additional(/more reliable?) references. John Vandenberg (chat) 08:29, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I removed it before noticing this message. Graham 87 01:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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