Talk:Elliott Smith/Archive 2

"Failed to complete a single song"
In the final years section, it talks about his performance at Northwestern University's A&O Ball and states that he failed to complete a sing song. This is simply untrue. If you listen to that show, while there are many songs he does abort, he does complete a few. I don't have a reference for that other than the show itself, but I just thought I should mention that. 67.244.61.219 (talk) 19:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

According to Pitchfork...
"According to Pitchfork, producer Larry Crane reported on his Tape Op message board that he had planned to help Smith mix his album in mid-November. Crane wrote..."

Surely there is a better source than an online music magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.158.94 (talk) 02:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Non-notable song articles
I propose redirecting:
 * Stickman (Elliott Smith song) → From a Basement on the Hill
 * Angel in the Snow → New Moon (Elliott Smith album)
 * A Living Will → Son of Sam (song)

As far as I know none of these are singles or otherwise notable. All information that can be said about them can be contained in one sentence in the parent articles. –Pomte 22:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've got nothing against that, I wasn't even aware of these articles. - Phorque (talk) 00:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me.Athene cunicularia (talk) 05:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Revolution, Beatles cover
It says in the wiki that this cover was done by Elliott during sessions for XO. I've heard that it was actually done by Heatmiser for a Nike commercial but was never used. Can anyone corroborate this? Sicknessandsleep (talk) 02:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Dead links
Apparently Trash Treasury went down not too long ago. As for the elliottsmithbsides, I have no idea. Also, plenty of the links in the links section of Sweet Adeline are dead, unfortunately. Qwerty (talk) 08:33, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ElliottSmithBsides.com - Unreleased demos
 * Trash Treasury - Download hub for live recordings and discussion forum

In regards to Trash Treasury, the owner forgot to renew the Domain Name. --76.79.192.35 (talk) 08:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * - Complete reference invalid. The book does not exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inkegg (talk • contribs) 12:41, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Winona Rider Ryder Miss Misery
Elliott Smith is not mentioned under Winona Rider and she is not mentioned. I thought "Miss Misery" was written about her, and that they had dated....Ellen Carey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.103.51 (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ellen, you say you "thought" Miss Misery was written about Winona Ryder. Sounds like something you imagined, or made up one day to suit your way of looking at the world, or perhaps it was a load of dogshit some drunk person told you at a party. Since Elliott and Winona are two artists very close to my heart I make a special effort here to pour cold water on your unsubstantiated remark, which I find not merely annoying but offensive. It's sad enough Elliott is no longer with us without having fans make stuff up about him that simply isn't true. And you can't even spell Winona's last name properly. That indicates to me you are like the girl in Elliot's song Last Call, "You're a tongueless talker You don't care what you say You're a jaywalker and you just, just walk away" If you cared about what you say you wouldn't make stuff up and at least take the time to spell "Ryder" correctly. A tongueless talker makes stuff up about a living person and then walks away without even signing her comment. I mean really. Arbo (talk) 12:58, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Elliott Smith is not in any way connected to Winona Ryder and neither is the song "Miss Misery".--76.79.192.35 (talk) 08:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I think this person was, frustratingly, confusing Elliott Smith with Conor Oberst, who was rumored have dated--and was photographed kissing--Winona Ryder in 2003, but told New York Magazine in early 2005 that they "were just friends." Oberst's song "Classic Cars," in which the narrator describes a relationship with an older woman, was thought to be about Ryder.Sarahisaghost (talk) 19:03, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Hey Jude cover for The Royal Tenenbaums
The information about the Hey Jude cover to be used in The Royal Tenenbaums is basically in the article twice and it seems a bit redundant. It's in the "Final Years" section as well as the "Musical Styles and Influences" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.155.65.25 (talk) 21:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed mention in the "Musical style and influences" section as Wes Anderson implies the song was not recorded. –Pomte 06:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Hampshire College
One line at the start of a paragraph says that he got a bachelor's degree from Hampshire College in philosophy and legal theory. The end of the same paragraph says he had a degree in philosophy and political science. So, what did he get a degree in and/or study while at Hampshire? I suggest that whoever is knowledgeable describe what Smith studied or concentrated his studies in (which well may have been philosophy, legal theory, and/or political science). By the way, everyone at Hampshire, regardless of what they studied, concentrated in (what Hampshire calls a major), and/or focused their Division Two on, gets a B.A. in the liberal arts. Nobody gets a degree in a specialized or identified field of study from Hampshire College. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ATK66 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

"sadcore"
lol take this off and ban the people/ person putting it up- its a nonused term and if used it derogatory. Lets start calling bands with gay people in them queer-rock or bands with people who died from cancer "tumour-jam"

Clearly you're being trolled....but really..since when has wikipedia not been trolled.

Laughing at the fools on a system (wikipedia) that quickly "lock" or "delete" true but "offensive" edits/comments from pages way too often,

Trollio Sympathetico —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.134.166 (talk) 05:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

1997-1998: "Miss Misery" and the Oscars
In the section titled "1997-1998: "Miss Misery" and the Oscars" the first line says "Smith was tapped by director and fellow Portland resident Gus Van Sant to be a part of the soundtrack to his film, Good Will Hunting" What the heck does "tapped" mean? Wouldn't it be better to write that he was "contacted" or "chosen"? SpencerCollins (talk) 10:48, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * "To select, as for membership in an organization; designate." — but yeah, I think it would be clearer to replace "tapped" with "selected" in this context. I'll go ahead and make this change, but next time why not just be bold? ;) - Phorque (talk) 10:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Mary Lou Lou Lord
The Mary Lou Lou Lord quote about Elliott making records for "the sad kids" appears to be pejorative, at least through the eyes of a fan of 15 years, I think it should be removed. Additionally, it doesn't really add anything special to the introductory parts of this article, as it's just someones opinion, I find Elliott's music to be incredibly hopeful, personally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.157.242 (talk) 14:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems like you, too, are influencing the article with your opinion. Quotes are valid, even if they do not agree with the views of fans.--Soulparadox (talk) 15:03, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

2003: Reemergence and From a Basement on the Hill (addiction changes)
I removed the quote at the beginning of the paragraph because it basically was an indirect quote to the first step for a 12 step program, thus that was the reason he failed in the rehabs because he refused to admit he was powerless. Then to go beyond where it becomes very God oriented (no matter how they sell it to you, it still invokes God, and seeking Him) perhaps as low as Elliott was feeling, he still felt he had strength. So it kind of is a slap to say that his treatments failed because some 12 step big book thumper believes it is because Elliott refused to give into that way of trying to quit using drugs. There are other methods (obviously) and he sought them out, but to say he failed for not following the 12 steps is disrespectful, because he didn't believe in them. So I changed the wording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.88.173 (talk) 06:06, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this is an important point and, unfortunately, similar errors have occurred elsewhere in Wikipedia. Please feel free to monitor similar other pages, as this is a matter that is misunderstood on a grand scale, beyond the Internet.--Soulparadox (talk) 14:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Modest Mouse
I'm not sure that the video listed as a reference really shows that Modest Mouse was a major influence on Elliott. He simply says "I like them, I think they're good" and for the most part the interviewer seemed to be pressing for that answer anyway; I've never seen Smith mention them on any other occasion or bring them up "unprovoked," compared to say, Bob Dylan or Big Star.

I'm still going to leave it up for the time being, just something I wanted to mention. I've seen the video before and I always thought the interviewer was a bit pushy. Metaphoria (talk) 22:26, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Dutch television segment
I have added content based on a Dutch television special that was recorded in 1998. I only found this footage recently and was amazed at the candid interview, as well as the live performances, as I have not seen a lot of this kind of thing in relation to Smith. If anyone else has access to such material, please use it for this article, as the article could benefit from more direct quotes from the greatly misunderstood Smith. I also plan to include content based on the film, Searching for Elliot Smith, as this is a difficult-to-find work and someone has graciously uploaded a couple of segments to YouTube.--Soulparadox (talk) 15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Death Race: Inferno
I know it is quite irrelevant, but I happened to be watching parts of the mediocre movie 'Death Race: Inferno', and at some point the character 'Lists' (played by actor Fred Koehler), mentions Elliott Smith, while going through a list of people that died through knife stabbing...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Escribo71 (talk • contribs) 09:11, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

What is this reference? "Shutt, 2002"
Several points in this article are documented with the cryptic reference "Shutt, 2002" and a page number. Obviously that is not sufficent. Does anyone know what this source is, and can they verify these references?Msalt (talk) 21:32, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It's the biography from his official website http://www.sweetadeline.net/bio.html Woodywoodpeckerthe3rd (talk) 21:48, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's the second source listed in the bibliography, just below the footnotes. It's debatable whether it should be switched to a direct ref (given it's not really a book, but rather an article), but it might be a bit awkward to do that given it's split across several pages. Nevertheless, it's adequately referenced in terms of WP:V. Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 02:58, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Elliott Smith
I was surprised to see there was not a List of songs recorded by Elliott Smith. I redirected the page to here for now, but feel free to get a list going before me if you have time and interest. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Alyson Camus
Why is Alyson Camus allowed to insert herself and her website into this article? She's had a long standing vendetta against Jennifer Chiba and I'm not sure why her personal blog should be sourced here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.162.212 (talk) 20:01, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't have a vendetta, I am reporting FACTS. I didn't know it was allowed to censor facts on Wikipedia. Alyson camus (talk) 00:55, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * In Wikipedia's terms you have a WP:Conflict of interest, which means you cannot push your personal agenda on Wikipedia. You may edit here, but with significant limitations. Read the linked guideline. Binksternet (talk) 02:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)